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Lathan
06-25-2010, 05:26 PM
Vatican Moves To Block Questioning Of Pope In Abuse Lawsuit (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/25/vatican-moves-to-block-qu_n_625435.html)


The Vatican is asking a federal judge to reject an attempt to question Pope Benedict XVI under oath in a Kentucky sex abuse lawsuit on the grounds that there has been no evidence of a link to church officials in Rome.

The arguments filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Louisville also say that forcing Benedict, a head of state, to give a deposition would violate international law. The U.S. considers the Vatican to be a sovereign nation.

The lawsuit accuses the Vatican, referred to in papers as the Holy See, of orchestrating a cover-up of priests sexually abusing children throughout the U.S.

Louisville attorney William McMurry asked to depose Benedict and other Vatican officials in a motion in March and the filing on Thursday is a response. McMurry has also asked that the Vatican turn over administrative documents and respond to questions related to the abuse scandal in the U.S.

Attorneys for the Vatican argue that thousands of documents provided in a lawsuit against the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Louisville several years ago have turned up no connection to Rome. The Louisville archdiocese reached a settlement in 2003 with more than 240 abuse victims represented by McMurry for $25 million.

McMurry will have an opportunity to reply to the Vatican's latest arguments in a response to the court.

While U.S. dioceses have been sued over abuse by priests, the Kentucky lawsuit is the first U.S. case to make it to the stage of determining whether victims have a negligence claim against the Vatican. Filed in 2004 by three men abused by priests in the Louisville diocese, it argues in part that U.S. bishops should be considered employees or officials of the Holy See.

The Vatican's filing said McMurry had access to "thousands and thousand of pages of documents" from the Louisville archdiocese suit and has not found any trail that leads to the Holy See.

"There is no evidence whatsoever in the archdiocesan files showing that the archbishop was the Holy See's 'employee' or that the archbishop followed a mandatory Holy See policy relating to the handling of child sexual abuse by priests," the Vatican said in the filing.

McMurry said has said the court will use Kentucky law to determine the employment relationship between the Vatican and American bishops.

"I have yet to meet a Catholic, expert or otherwise, who does not believe that the Holy See has the absolute right to control the day-to-day activities of a bishop's work," McMurry said in an e-mail message to The Associated Press last week.

Vatican attorney Jeffrey Lena said the "employment and 'secret policy' theories concocted by Mr. McMurry are little more than a lawyer's speculative confabulations, as the archdiocese documents demonstrate."

McMurry said Friday that personnel files kept by the Louisville archdiocese that were part of the court case did not reveal that a former priest, Louis Miller, had at one time told his superiors at the archdiocese that he had abused children. Miller is serving a prison sentence for sex abuse.

"How honest is this 'evidence from the diocese?'" McMurry said. "The sworn testimony of several witnesses, including (Louis) Miller, confirm that the Archbishops in Louisville kept their knowledge of priest abuse a secret."

The Vatican is also asking U.S. District Judge John G. Heyburn to rule first on a motion to dismiss the lawsuit. The motion filed by Vatican lawyers in mid-May argued that U.S. bishops are not Vatican employees and that Rome therefore can't be held liable for their actions.

Foreign nations are typically immune from civil actions in U.S. courts, but there are exceptions to the Foreign Sovereign Immunity Act which courts have said could be applied in the Kentucky case.

Bringing a head of state like the pope to a deposition in the U.S. is nearly an impossible legal hurdle to overcome, said Jonathan Levy, a Washington attorney who has sued the Vatican on behalf of Holocaust victims.

"I doubt very much a U.S. court would want to make an order that it knows it's not going to be able to enforce," Levy said. "How can a federal judge force a head of state to attend a deposition?"

Lathan
06-25-2010, 07:21 PM
Vatican 'Outraged' Over Police Raid Of Archbishops' Graves In Sex Abuse Probe (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/25/vatican-outraged-over-pol_n_625774.html)


VATICAN CITY The Vatican said Friday it was astonished and outraged that Belgian police investigating priestly sex abuse had conducted raids that also targeted the graves of two archbishops.

The Vatican summoned the Belgian ambassador to the Holy See to convey its anger over the raids, which also included the home and offices of the retired archbishop of Belgium. The ambassador was called in for a meeting with the Vatican's foreign minister.

In a statement, the Vatican said any sinful and criminal abuse of minors from members of the church must be condemned and repeated that there is a need for justice and amends.

But it added, "The Secretariat of State also expresses astonishment at the way in which the search took place." It expressed "outrage over the violation of the tombs."

On Thursday, police raided the home and former office of former Archbishop Godfried Danneels, taking documents and Danneels' personal computer. Police and prosecutors did not say if Danneels was suspected of abuse himself or simply had records pertaining to allegations against another person. He was not questioned.

Investigators also opened the graves of archbishops in the St. Rombouts Cathedral in Mechlin, north of Brussels, looking for possibly incriminating documents, said Jean-Marc Meilleur, spokesman for the Brussels public prosecutor.

Archbishop Andre-Joseph Leonard, Belgium's current archbishop, condemned the search of the cathedral, saying that is stuff for "crime novels and 'The Da Vinci Code.'"

Separately, police seized the records of an independent panel investigating sexual abuse by priests, some 500 cases in all. The victims are mostly men now in their 60s and 70s.

This also drew the condemnation of the Vatican, which said it regretted the violation of the confidentiality due the victims of child abuse.

The Brussels prosecutor's office said the raids followed recent statements to police related to the sexual abuse of children within the church.

It was the latest development in a sex abuse scandal that has shaken the Roman Catholic Church in Europe and beyond for months.

Reports of rape and other sexual abuse of minors in seminars, schools and other church-run institutions have piled up. Victims have come forward accusing priests of abuse and bishops of covering up crimes in order to safeguard the church's name.

Pope Benedict XVI has begged forgiveness from victims and promised to "do everything possible" to protect children.

News of the Belgian raid was welcomed by the U.S. victims group SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, which urged police and prosecutors across the world to use their full powers to gain access to church records. By contrast, the group criticized the Vatican's reaction.

"Vatican officials who criticize the Belgian police raid of the Brussels church hierarchy should be ashamed of themselves," Joelle Casteix of SNAP said in a statement Friday. "While Roman church officials talk about stopping abuse, Belgian police officials take action to stop abuse."

I have to say that I don't get the "Tomb Raider" turn this has taken.

Did they really bury incriminating documents with dead bishops? Have they never heard of a shredder?

Or are they burying them in little boys' underwears? Kinky!

insanitykun
06-25-2010, 10:37 PM
But they're trying to PROTECT THE VICTIMS. Ugh. Fuck off, Catholics. GO BELGIUM, GO.

Barbarella
06-27-2010, 06:06 PM
Further proof they think they are above the law.

Tarendai
06-27-2010, 07:03 PM
As far as theyre concerned, they ARE the law, they're certainly behaving that way

Lathan
06-28-2010, 06:06 PM
The (mostly Catholic) Supreme Court says: Vatican Sex Abuse Case Can Move Forward (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/28/majority-catholic-supreme_n_627846.html)


The Supreme Court won't stop a lawsuit that accuses the Vatican of conspiring with U.S. church officials to transfer a priest from city to city despite repeated accusations that the clergyman sexually abused young people.

The high court Monday refused to hear an appeal from the Vatican, a decision that allows the lawsuit to move forward. No one has ever successfully sued the Vatican over sex abuse by clergy.

Sovereign immunity laws hold that a sovereign state -- including the Vatican -- is generally immune from lawsuits. The U.S. has had diplomatic relations with the Holy See since 1984.

The original lawsuit, John V. Doe v. Holy See, was filed in 2002 by a Seattle-area man who says the priest, the Rev. Andrew Roman, repeatedly molested him in the late 1960s.

The plaintiff contends the Vatican conspired with the Archdiocese of Portland and other parties to protect the priest by moving him from Ireland to Chicago to Portland.

The U.S. attorney representing the Vatican wanted the federal courts to throw out the lawsuit, basing his argument largely on sovereign immunity.

But lower federal courts have ruled in this case that there could be an exception to the Foreign Sovereign Immunity Act.

A judge ruled there was enough of a connection between the Holy See and Ronan for him to be considered a Vatican employee under Oregon law, and that ruling was upheld by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The Vatican has argued that it is not responsible for the actions of individual priests in dioceses.

According to the lawsuit, Ronan began abusing boys in the mid-1950s as a priest in the Archdiocese of Armagh, Ireland. He was transferred to Chicago, where he admitted abusing three boys at St. Philip's High School.

Ronan was later moved to St. Albert's Church in Portland, Ore., where he was accused of abusing the person who filed the lawsuit now under appeal. Ronan died in 1992.

With six Catholic justices, two Jewish justices, and one Protestant judge, the U.S. Supreme Court is composed of a majority of Catholics.

A separate lawsuit filed in Louisville, Ky., and still in the courts, contends the Vatican is responsible for U.S. bishops who failed to stop priests from molesting children.

Well, that's good news. (If you're not the Vatican.)

Barbarella
07-06-2010, 07:54 PM
Kevin Gray, Waterbury Priest, Stole $1.3 Million To Pay For Male Escorts (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/06/kevin-gray-waterbury-prie_n_636342.html)


NEW HAVEN, Conn. — A Roman Catholic priest in Connecticut was charged Tuesday with stealing $1.3 million in church money over seven years to use for male escorts, expensive clothing and luxury hotels and restaurants.

The Rev. Kevin J. Gray, former pastor at Sacred Heart/Sagrado Corazon Parish in Waterbury, was arrested and charged with first-degree larceny, Waterbury police said. Arraignment was expected Tuesday in Waterbury Superior Court.

Gray, 64, used the money to stay at such hotels as the Waldorf-Astoria and on expensive clothing labels including Armani suits and Brooks Brothers, said Capt. Christopher Corbett. He also paid the college tuition and rent of two men he had met, Corbett said.

toriMODE
07-06-2010, 08:16 PM
There are cheaper ways to get laid.

Lathan
07-20-2010, 03:26 PM
Google Search for 'Vatican' Yields Pedophile Site (http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/07/19/google-search-for-vatican-yields-pedophile-site/)


A likely Google Bomb leaves Europeans wondering if a hacker is making a statement.

Internet users over the weekend were delivered to an empty site called pedofilo.com when doing a search for "Vatican." Pedofilo is the Italian world for pedophile. As the AP states:

The Vatican is battling allegations of abuse by paedophile priests and allegations of high-level cover-ups in several European countries, after similar scandals swept Australia and the United States in 2004.

What's interesting is that this 'hack' has all of the hallmarks of a politically-motivated Google Bombing.

A spokesman for Google Italy, Simona Panseri, told ANSA it was not clear if this was a result of hacking. "I cannot confirm if it is an attack because I have not had any more precise information from the US engineers to understand the nature of the problem," he told the agency.

A Google (GOOG) bombing is a concerted effort by a number of users to link a phrase with an unflattering site on the Web. For instance, one of the most popular Google bombings was 'miserable failure,' which linked to the the biography of former U.S. president George W. Bush. The first reported Google bombing took place in 1999 when a search for "more evil than Satan himself" resulted in the Microsoft homepage as the top result.

Well played, internets. Well played.

Lathan
08-12-2010, 08:57 PM
Vatican Rejects Resignations Of 2 Dublin Bishops Involved In Sex-Abuse Cover-Up (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/11/vatican-rejects-resignations-coverup-bishops_n_679453.html)


Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin has told priests that the Vatican has rejected the resignations of his two auxiliary bishops following their reported involvement in the Roman Catholic Church's cover-up of child abuse.

The Vatican's rebuff deals a blow to Martin, a veteran Vatican diplomat who was appointed in 2004 to lead Ireland's most populous diocese through a growing storm of child-abuse scandals. From the start he has clashed with predecessors who suppressed reports of child molestation and transferred abusive priests to new parishes in Ireland, Britain and the United States.

"Following the presentation of their resignations to Pope Benedict, it has been decided that Bishop Eamonn Walsh and Bishop Raymond Field will remain as auxiliary bishops," Martin said in a letter sent this week to priests and other Dublin church officials.

An Associated Press reporter saw a copy of the letter Wednesday. Aides to Martin confirmed the details of the letter. They said neither Martin nor the two auxiliaries were available to comment on the letter, which was a confidential church document and would not be published.

Analysts said the Vatican had sent a strong message to Martin not to criticize colleagues in public again.

"The Vatican were not impressed with the way Diarmuid Martin went on PrimeTime (an Irish television news program) and called on other bishops to be accountable," said Garry O'Sullivan, editor of the Irish Catholic newspaper in Dublin. "It's not the way business is done in Rome."

The letter said the two auxiliaries would be "assigned revised responsibilities within the diocese," but offered no specifics.

A Vatican spokesman refused to confirm that the resignations had been rejected or to offer reasons why bishops allegedly involved in covering up abuse would be kept in their posts.

The Rev. Federico Lombardi said it is the Vatican's policy to make public announcements only when resignations are accepted, not when they are rejected. He declined further comment.

An Irish government-authorized investigation into Dublin Archdiocese cover-ups published in November named more than a dozen current and former bishops as responsible for failing to tell police about more than 170 suspected pedophiles in the priesthood from the mid-1970s to mid-1990s.

Martin supported the state investigation by releasing thousands of previously secret church documents that demonstrated detailed church knowledge of crimes committed against several hundred Irish children. It found that Dublin church leaders began providing information to police only in 1995 but continued to keep secret, until Martin's appointment in 2004, many files and other records of reported abuse.

The pope did accept the resignations of Donal Murray of Limerick and James Moriarty of Kildare, both of whom were former Dublin auxiliary bishops, and both of whom were criticized in the report. A third, Martin Drennan of Galway, has insisted he won't quit.

The two current Dublin auxiliaries, Walsh and Field, initially rejected criticisms but relented after failing to receive public backing from the outspoken Martin. Their resignation offers were read out to Dublin worshippers at Christmas Mass.

In their joint Christmas statement Walsh and Field said they hoped their resignations "may help to bring the peace and reconciliation of Jesus Christ to the victims and survivors of child sexual abuse. We again apologize to them."

Victims groups said Wednesday they were disgusted, but not surprised, that the Vatican had decided to back Walsh and Field rather than Martin.

"All this abuse was covered up by successive Dublin archbishops and in the full knowledge of every auxiliary bishop until Martin's arrival. On those grounds, every single bishop involved in the governance of the Dublin Archdiocese until 2004 ought to have resigned by now," said Andrew Madden, a former altar boy who became the first Irish victim to go public with an abuse lawsuit against the church in 1995.

Walsh has been a Dublin auxiliary bishop since 1990, Field since 1997.

Martin's relations with his two deputies have reportedly frayed during the long wait for a verdict from the Vatican. Martin has not appeared publicly with the auxiliary bishops since December.

Benedict summoned Ireland's bishops to Rome in February to discuss the Dublin Archdiocese scandal. The following month the pope published an unprecedented pastoral letter to the Irish Catholic people that condemned the abusers, praised their victims but studiously avoided any acknowledgment of hierarchy culpability in covering up crimes.

"So much was expected of the pontiff, and so little was delivered," said John Kelly, leader of an Irish pressure group called Survivors of Child Abuse, who was molested and beaten in a Catholic-run workhouse for boys.

"The pope said that priests and bishops needed to surrender themselves to the demands of justice. Here were two of many who did surrender themselves and they've been refused," Kelly said. "That sends out a signal that there is to be no change, no closure for victims and no accountability."

Barbarella
08-13-2010, 01:40 PM
Awesome.

JAE
08-24-2010, 10:40 AM
Claudy bomb: Police Ombudsman report due into NI attack (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11064647)


Northern Ireland's Police Ombudsman is due to publish his report into the alleged involvement of a priest in a 1972 IRA bombing in County Londonderry.

Nine people, including an eight-year-old girl, were killed in the village of Claudy in one of the most controversial incidents of the Troubles.

There was an alleged deal between the UK government and the Catholic Church not to arrest Father James Chesney.

Fr Chesney was moved across the Irish border by the Church after the attack.

The priest, who died in 1980, had been the curate in Cullion, a small parish in County Londonderry.

The Ombudsman's investigation began in 2002 when the police revealed that the force in 1972, the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), had information which indicated that the priest was an active member of the IRA and was involved in the bombing.

The statement said that the Secretary of State at the time, Willie Whitelaw, and Cardinal Conway, the leader of the Catholic Church in Ireland, had discussed the activities of the priest.

It added that all opportunities to catch those who bombed Claudy had not been taken.

Also in 2002 the Bishop of Derry Edward Daly, told the BBC that when questioned by his church superiors Fr Chesney had denied any involvement with the IRA "utterly, unequivocally, vehemently".

However, Fr Chesney did say that he had "republican sympathies, very strong republican sympathies".

The Ombudsman, Al Hutchinson, has been examining the original RUC investigation.

No-one has ever been convicted of the bomb attack in which both Protestants and Catholics were killed.

The youngest victim was eight-year-old Kathryn Eakin who was cleaning the windows of the family grocery shop when the first bomb exploded.

The other people killed were Joseph McCluskey, 39; David Miller, 60; James McClelland, 65; William Temple, 16; Elizabeth McElhinney, 59; Rose McLaughlin, 51; Patrick Connolly, 15; and Arthur Hone, 38.

The bombing came in the bloodiest year of the Northern Ireland conflict - almost 500 people were killed in 1972.

As well as the power to investigate complaints against the Police Service of Northern Ireland, the Police Ombudsman also has the authority to probe investigations carried out by the predecessor to the PSNI, the RUC.

More general investigations into incidents during the Troubles are handled by a dedicated group of PSNI detectives - the Historical Enquiries Team.

BBC Ireland correspondent Mark Simpson said the report "is expected to confirm that the authorities at the time were aware of the suspected involvement of a priest in the atrocity - but failed to arrest him".

"Instead, a secret deal was done between the Catholic Church and the state to move Fr Jim Chesney across the border into County Donegal," our correspondent added.

"The rumour which has been swirling around the County Londonderry village for the past 38 years is there was no justice for the nine people killed, simply a cover-up.

"If the Ombudsman's report substantiates it, there will be questions for the Catholic Church to answer."

Speaking in 2002 shortly after the investigation reopened, Merle Eakin, the mother of Kathryn Eakin, said: "We are just hopeful that they will bring justice and the people who are still alive will be brought to justice - that is what we really want."

In 2005, four people, including a Sinn Fein Assembly member, were arrested in connection with the bombing.

They were released without charge a few days later, with Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness calling it a political stunt.

Barbarella
08-24-2010, 03:49 PM
Whoa.
They are so fucking corrupt it's nauseating.

Lathan
08-24-2010, 06:21 PM
Meanwhile in Germany... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/24/catholic-priest-charged-w_n_692300.html)


German prosecutors say a Roman Catholic priest has been charged with twice raping a 14-year-old girl 20 years ago.

Osnabrueck prosecution spokesman Alexander Retemeyer said on Tuesday the 50-year old man, then a chaplain, used force to coerce the girl into having sex with him and also threatened her with punishment by God.

Prosecutors say the priest, who has been relieved of his duties by the church, has admitted sexual contacts with the girl.

The complainant said she had a sexual relationship marked by violence with the chaplain over three years. But Retemeyer said only two incidents were sufficiently substantiated for charges to be filed.

The woman contacted the diocese of Osnabrueck earlier this year amid a widening abuse scandal in Germany.

Lathan
08-29-2010, 02:24 PM
And Back in Belgium... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/28/godfried-danneels-belgian_n_698134.html)


Roman Catholic Cardinal Godfried Danneels of Belgium offered to keep a sexual molestation case against a bishop secret until the bishop retired, an official said Saturday.

Toon Osaer, Danneels' spokesman, confirmed a report in Saturday's De Standaard newspaper about a secretly taped meeting that Danneels held on April 8 with Belgian Bishop Roger Vangheluwe and the bishop's sexual abuse victim.

Osaer told the VRT television and radio network that Danneels told the victim the case against Vangheluwe could be kept quiet until the bishop retired as scheduled a year later.

In the end, Vangheluwe resigned two weeks after the meeting, expressing sorrow for having abused the victim as a youngster for years, both while serving as a priest and a bishop.

Danneels retired as head of the Belgian Catholic church in January. But police later questioned him as a potential witness in the case and raided his home and office, confiscating documents and a personal computer.

How frustrating that a whole institution considers itself above the law.

Barbarella
01-18-2011, 02:48 PM
Vatican Warned Irish Bishops Not To Report Abuse (http://www.npr.org/2011/01/18/133015611/vatican-warned-irish-bishops-not-to-report-abuse?ft=1&f=1001&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)


A newly revealed 1997 letter from the Vatican warns Ireland's Catholic bishops not to report all suspected child-abuse cases to police because that would violate the church's canon laws.

The letter, obtained by Irish broadcasters RTE and provided Tuesday to The Associated Press, documents the Vatican's rejection at that time of an Irish church initiative to begin helping police identify pedophile priests.

In the letter, the Vatican's diplomat in Ireland at the time, Archbishop Luciano Storero, told the bishops that a senior church panel in Rome, the Congregation for the Clergy, had decided that the Irish church's year-old policy of "mandatory" reporting of abuse claims conflicted with canon law.

Storero emphasized in the letter that the Irish church's policy was not recognized by the Vatican and was "merely a study document." He said canon law — which required abuse allegations to be handled within the church — "must be meticulously followed."

Without elaborating Storero, who died in 2000, wrote that mandatory reporting of child-abuse claims to police "gives rise to serious reservations of both a moral and a canonical nature."

The letter, originally obtained by RTE religious affairs program Would You Believe?, said the Congregation for the Clergy in Rome would establish worldwide child-protection policies "at the appropriate time."

The Vatican has not formally accepted any of the Irish church's three major documents on child protection since 1996. All emphasize mandatory reporting of suspected offenses.

The content of Storero's letter was reported second-hand in 2009 as part of a mammoth investigation into the 1975-2004 cover-up of hundreds of child-abuse cases in the Dublin Archdiocese. The letter itself, marked "strictly confidential," has never before been published.

Lágnætti
04-21-2012, 01:32 PM
I didn't know whether to put this one is this thread, Catholicism Wow or the Ireland, WTF? thread, because it falls pretty neatly it all three for shock, wtf and horror vaue. I chose this one because the nature of what went on is to me as inherently abusive and appalling as the abuse of children and everything that was done was done because of Catholic ideology.

I just learned about the the Symphysiotomy scandal in Ireland (http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/1397), where women in labour were used both as guinea pigs to train Catholic missionaries for midwifery in countries without the most basic medical infrastructure and subjected to a barbaric, 18th century operation in place of a Caesarian section on the ground that the doctors involved were against family planning and saw Caesarians as limiting the number of future children the women could have. All the operations - where the pelvis is unhinged by sawing through the cartliage that holds it in place - took place without consent between 1944 and 1992 (jesus fucking christ) left the women involved in lifelong agony, trauma and various forms of disability, including difficulties walking. The victims weren't even given proper nursing afterwards because no-one would admit these procedures were taking place and were thus made to walk on and discharged with broken pelvises. It's mind-boggling but thinking about it, entirely consistant with a Church that values fetuses over people, makes twelve year-old rape vitims give birth, steals babies for adoption rackets, protects paedophiles who repeatedly rape children and basically has a huge ideological hate-on for women and a giant boner for birthing.


What is symphysiotomy?

Symphysiotomy is a cruel and dangerous childbirth operation. It unhinges the pelvis, severing the symphysis joint or, in the case of pubiotomy, sundering the pubic bones.

There is a particular issue about its use in Ireland, isn’t there?

Ireland was the only country in the developed world to practise this discarded surgery in the mid to late 20th century.

At least 1,500 of these 18th century operations were performed here from 1944 to 1992, mostly in Catholic hospitals.

Around 150 women survive today, many of them permanently disabled, incontinent and in pain. Some lost their babies during the procedure.

So why were they carried out here?

These operations were down to doctors’ preference for symphysiotomy over Caesarean section, which by 1944 was the standard treatment for difficult births. Some women were symphysiotomised under general anaesthetic during pregnancy or to ‘deliver’ a baby already born. But most were left for hours in the labour ward before being operated upon without their knowledge or consent.

After the surgery, mothers were left to labour until the baby came, and to push for as long as it took, through the agony of an unhinged pelvis, to achieve a vaginal birth. Those who could not do so were eventually delivered abdominally by doctors who had earlier denied them a Caesarean section.

A wall of silence surrounded the surgery post-operatively. Hospital midwives neglected to nurse women as surgical patients, forcing them to walk on a broken pelvis. Discharged from hospital without medical advice, women were left to sink or swim.

This was carried out mainly in Catholic hospitals?

The revivalists were driven by a desire to control women’s reproductive health. Caesarean section was associated with what Archbishop McQuaid termed the “crime of birth prevention”. Four such operations were widely seen as the upper safety limit.

Leading Catholic doctors saw symphysiotomy as a gateway to child-bearing without limitation, one that did not lead women into ‘temptation’ - that is, the practice of family planning.

Obstetricians who broke women’s pelvises subsequently advised them that they should have ten children.

Was there no reaction against this?

It was shunned by doctors on account of its dangers but symphysiotomy was revived in 1944 at Holles Street Hospital as a replacement for Caesarean section in certain cases.

Pregnant women were used as guinea pigs there in the 1940s and 1950s and this experimentation continued through the 1960s and 1970s at the Lourdes Hospital, Drogheda. Lourdes was a training hospital founded by the Medical Missionaries of Mary to serve their missionary hospitals overseas. The operation was also carried out for teaching purposes.

Symphysiotomy was seen as invaluable for medical students from overseas, particularly from Africa and India, because it was a low-cost operation that required neither hospital nor electricity.

Regulatory failure allowed the practise of this mutilating surgery for half a century. Hospital reports detailing these operations were ignored. No person or agency has ever been held to account.

ebby
04-21-2012, 02:16 PM
^ that is yet another utterly horrifying news story from here in Ireland that is completely the fault of the Catholic Church.

Yet they have the gall to be travelling around the country at the moment with a "eucharistic congress bell" inviting people to ring it to herald in the eurcharistic congress that is taking place here in June.

The disconnect is appalling.


"took place without consent between 1944 and 1992" - of course they didn't even ask. Sure why would they? This is an appalling abuse of these women who then weren't even told about it afterwards. All because Caesareans would "lead women into temptation" - aka family planning.

And they wonder why so many people have so much rage towards the Church.

toriMODE
04-21-2012, 02:44 PM
Oh wow. That is so horrific! I can't fathom it!

ebby
11-10-2012, 05:58 PM
Just when you think you couldn't hear any worse info about the Catholic Church abuse scandals: seen on AmericaBlog (http://americablog.com/2012/03/catholic-church-reportedly-castrated-boys-who-reported-priest-sex-abuse.html) [via: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2012/03/catholic_church_abuse_at_least.php ]


At least one boy under the age of 16 was castrated to ‘help’ his homosexual feelings while in Catholic church care in the 1950s, the NRC reported on Saturday.
But there are indications at least 10 other boys were also castrated, the paper said. The claims were not included in the Deetman report on sexual abuse within the Catholic church published at the end of last year.

The paper says the one confirmed case concerned a boy – Henk Heithuis – who reported being sexually abused by priests to the police in 1956. After giving evidence, he was placed in a Catholic-run psychiatric institution where he was then castrated because of his ‘homosexual behaviour’.

Lágnætti
11-10-2012, 07:00 PM
Wow. How very Christian of them.

No, really. It's very Christian. Didn't some of the early Christians lop of their own balls re: loathing of the body, renouncement of sexual pleasures all the better to be a spiritual being etc etc? The madness was there right from the beginning. Built right in, not the reverse.

SweetPea
11-10-2012, 08:32 PM
Well, the Catholic Church has always had a weird obsession with the lopping off of balls.

Like the 'Castrali'

A snippet (heh) from good ol' wikipedia:

A castrato (Italian, plural: castrati) is a man with a singing voice equivalent to that of a soprano, mezzo-soprano, or contralto. The voice is produced by castration of the singer before puberty, or it occurs in one who, because of an endocrinological condition, never reaches sexual maturity.
Castration before puberty (or in its early stages) prevents a boy's larynx from being transformed by the normal physiological events of puberty. As a result, the vocal range of prepubescence (shared by both sexes) is largely retained, and the voice develops into adulthood in a unique way. Prepubescent castration for this purpose diminished greatly in the late 18th century and was made illegal in Italy in 1870.

ebby
04-25-2013, 02:35 PM
Well it seems the Catholic Church takes child abuse very seriously indeed. Following up on reports and allegations, and convicting abusers.

Oh wait. That's not true at all:


Catholic child abuse: 164 allegations against 85 priests have led to zero convictions (http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/catholic-child-abuse-187-allegations-against-98-priests-have-led-to-zero-convictions-883536-Apr2013/)

THE DIOCESES OF Elphin, Killala and Waterford join the infamous group of six Catholic Church authorities, including Derry, Dramore and Limerick, where not one priest has been convicted for having committed an offence or offences against a child or young person despite numerous allegations since 1 January 1975.
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From the 16 dioceses reviewed to date by the National Board for Safeguarding Children, there have been 164 allegations made in relation to 85 priests where there have been no convictions. This represents a third of the church authorities examined where not one priest was held to account. Following the publication of the third tranche of audits, today is yet another difficult day to bear for any survivor from these Catholic Church authorities.

The totals for the 20 authorities (including four religious orders) make for very distressing reading – 340 priests have had 789 allegations raised against them. And only 27 priests were convicted and held accountable by the Irish justice system.