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ebby
08-09-2010, 11:15 AM
As voted for by: Mansdrew, SMMY, Menju56, schitzonicbox and myself.


http://img11.nnm.ru/4/e/e/e/2/4eee2a675281c940d70dca612936ab60_full.jpg


Fantastic Voyage
African Night Flight
Move On
Yassassin
Red Sails
DJ
Look Back in Anger
Boys Keep Swinging
Repetition
Red Money


Lodger, released in 1979 is the last of the 'Berlin Trilogy' recorded in collaboration with Brian Eno. It was more accessible than its immediate predecessors "Low" and "Heroes", having no instrumentals and being somewhat lighter and more pop-oriented. However it was still an experimental record in many ways and was not, by Bowie's standards, a major commercial success. Indifferently received by critics on its initial release, it is now widely considered one of Bowie's most underrated albums

thank you wikipedia

Whappo
08-09-2010, 12:20 PM
http://new.assets.thequietus.com/images/articles/3161/1979-lodger_1257350746_crop_550x270.jpg

When do people want to do this?

It's a very worldly album.

schitzonicsox
08-09-2010, 06:48 PM
Anytime this week in the evening works for me (I'm EST).

SMMY
08-09-2010, 08:18 PM
I've got a dog-eared copy of Ian MacDonald's The People's Music (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Peoples-Music-Ian-MacDonald/dp/1844130932). It is a wonderful collection of his essay's on musicians from the sixties and seventies. Just in time for some of the listening parties, he has an essay on Laura Nyro's work and also on Bowie's early work.
for example in his intro to his essay on Bowie:

"Bowie's modus operandi during the seventies was transformation, acting out the suburban dream of escape into glamorous 'otherness' - hence his popularity among a very specific audience segment (and the total blank he registered with those for whom escape was not an issue). This method held good until Young Americans, even though that album's associated transformation - white boy on Soul Train - was less the usual Brechtian device than an identity crisis on the part of the artist (or the Actor, as he then referred to himself).
Uprooted from his native context in the cultural artifice of Europe, isolated in a largely unironic and cultureless alien land, Bowie was forced back on himself, a self he didn't much like. Weary of the artistic transformations which were now getting too close to home, he fended off self-examination with mental diversion, reading obsessively from a portable library and deadening his growing sense of emotional emptiness with cocaine and booze. David Live is, in effect, a station-stop in this journey on the old Oblivion Express, an evening's snapshot of Bowie's deepening malaise."

I'm off to bone up on my Bowie and my Nyro. This is obviously serious stuff!
All kidding aside, I do love MacDonald's essays. Some of them had me reexamining my preconceived notions of various artists' work, going back to others that I had not listened to in years or discovering others that I had never heard.

.chris
08-09-2010, 08:54 PM
oh hells yes. i would definitely take part. hopefully i'll have internet at home by then! (later in the week and after 8:30pm EST works for me). I feel like Lodger is such an under appreciated Bowie album.

menju56
08-09-2010, 10:13 PM
I've actually not heard Lodger so I am looking forward to it. Heard the other Berlin trilogy albums. Now will complete :)


I've got a dog-eared copy of Ian MacDonald's The People's Music (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Peoples-Music-Ian-MacDonald/dp/1844130932). It is a wonderful collection of his essay's on musicians from the sixties and seventies. Just in time for some of the listening parties, he has an essay on Laura Nyro's work and also on Bowie's early work.
for example in his intro to his essay on Bowie:

"Bowie's modus operandi during the seventies was transformation, acting out the suburban dream of escape into glamorous 'otherness' - hence his popularity among a very specific audience segment (and the total blank he registered with those for whom escape was not an issue). This method held good until Young Americans, even though that album's associated transformation - white boy on Soul Train - was less the usual Brechtian device than an identity crisis on the part of the artist (or the Actor, as he then referred to himself).
Uprooted from his native context in the cultural artifice of Europe, isolated in a largely unironic and cultureless alien land, Bowie was forced back on himself, a self he didn't much like. Weary of the artistic transformations which were now getting too close to home, he fended off self-examination with mental diversion, reading obsessively from a portable library and deadening his growing sense of emotional emptiness with cocaine and booze. David Live is, in effect, a station-stop in this journey on the old Oblivion Express, an evening's snapshot of Bowie's deepening malaise."

I'm off to bone up on my Bowie and my Nyro. This is obviously serious stuff!
All kidding aside, I do love MacDonald's essays. Some of them had me reexamining my preconceived notions of various artists' work, going back to others that I had not listened to in years or discovering others that I had never heard.

That is really interesting, thank you for posting that

JHV
08-10-2010, 05:51 AM
I'm interested in the listening party for this album as well. I'm free most nights this week, so whenever should work for me.

Whappo
08-10-2010, 07:35 PM
Wednesday or Thursday night GMT, anyone? Maybe the same time as the listening party for Joni's Blue, so 11pm GMT/6pm Eastern. Preferences?

ebby
08-10-2010, 07:38 PM
Thursday is the Laura Nyro one, so maybe don't clash with that?

schitzonicbox wants evening EST, so maybe push back an hour? Or is that too late for GMT-ers?

Whappo
08-10-2010, 07:49 PM
Not too late for me, but it depends who else wants to play. I probably can't do Friday or Saturday, but other than that I'm all go.

JAE
08-10-2010, 08:41 PM
I normally work evenings but if I'm around for this I'll call in.

SMMY
08-10-2010, 08:43 PM
I am flexible too, but have Thurs. set aside for the Nyro listening party. Maybe either Wednesday of this week for Lodger or reschedule for next week, if that would work better for most people?
I'm really excited about this one, as I've never heard this album (only had Young Americans and Station to Station as a teenager), so this will be entirely new to me. I'm not listening to it until the party either.

BettahDevil
08-10-2010, 08:59 PM
I've never heard this album! I've been wanting to give it a go.. I may join you guys.. :)

menju56
08-10-2010, 09:12 PM
Is Wednesday (tomorrow) too soon? I'm available for that anyway

.chris
08-11-2010, 02:37 PM
I have major Internet drama at home. It won't get hooked up until at least tomorrow if I'm lucky. But I can't make a listening party during the week until after 8pm EST. If that is too late, don't worry about working around me, I'll chime in my two cents after the listening party if I have to.

(I actually couldn't wait and listened to the whole album on my drive home from work yesterday...I really do enjoy this album a lot!)

menju56
08-14-2010, 05:40 PM
First two parties were a success (:D) so let's make it a third - when's everyone up for a bit of Bowie?

SMMY
08-14-2010, 08:29 PM
I'm good for any time, except this coming monday.

ebby
08-14-2010, 09:23 PM
Not Monday, Wednesday or Friday for me.

Maybe Tuesday or Thursday evening?

menju56
08-14-2010, 09:24 PM
Tuesday's good for me if it's ok with others

Whappo
08-14-2010, 09:41 PM
Tuesday's good for me.

SMMY
08-14-2010, 09:46 PM
I up for Tuesday too

ebby
08-14-2010, 10:13 PM
Woot! Let's go with Tuesday. Same bat-time, same bat-time-differences?

SMMY
08-14-2010, 10:32 PM
3 pm PST/11 pm BST? I'll mark my calendar.

ebby
08-14-2010, 10:43 PM
3 pm PST/11 pm BST? I'll mark my calendar.

Sounds good to me :)

.chris
08-15-2010, 07:22 PM
I'll be on the road from work at that time, but I'll just add my comments about the album to thread later. I'm interested to see what others think of it.

insanitykun
08-16-2010, 02:09 AM
3pm Pacific/6 EST is good for me, I'll just be getting home.

menju56
08-17-2010, 12:53 PM
Listening party today!

Looking forward to it

menju56
08-17-2010, 08:57 PM
About an hour to go...
Who's here?

ebby
08-17-2010, 09:15 PM
Are people around?

schitzonicsox
08-17-2010, 09:38 PM
Sorry guys, my meetings running late so I won't be able to make it. I'd try to check in via iPhone, but that would be stupid. I will say Lodger is one of the only Bowie albums I've never fully embraced, despite my love for the man and Brian Eno. Some great songs though! Looking forward to your comments!

Whappo
08-17-2010, 09:49 PM
I'm here!

menju56
08-17-2010, 09:50 PM
Excellent! Zehn minuten...

SMMY
08-17-2010, 09:50 PM
I'm here too.

ebby
08-17-2010, 09:58 PM
yeay! 2 minutes to go.

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:00 PM
It's going to be great switching from Kelis' 'Song For The Baby' to this album. I've cued this all up really well.

menju56
08-17-2010, 10:00 PM
Time!

.chris
08-17-2010, 10:01 PM
enjoy everyone! i'll catch up with this thread later when i get home.

menju56
08-17-2010, 10:01 PM
Wikipedia tells me it was originally to be titled either Planned Accidents or Despite Straight Lines.

Nice held note from David there on "Fantastic Voyage"

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:02 PM
Yeah, that was a smooth transmission.

I really like Fantastic Voyage, it's a bit more 'regular' Bowie (if that's a thing that can be a thing) before you really sink your teeth into the meat of the album.

ebby
08-17-2010, 10:02 PM
I've never heard this album either :)

Listening to lots of new things through these listening parties.

menju56
08-17-2010, 10:03 PM
Ooh, "African Night Flight" sounds weird!

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:05 PM
AFRICAN NIGHT FLIGHT!!!

BEST!!

I love all of the 'world' stuff on this album, how exotic a lot of it feels. Bits and pieces remind me of Kate's The Dreaming, except instead of a surreal trip through the outback we're on the veldt.

Damn, the percussion on this track is just brill.

SMMY
08-17-2010, 10:05 PM
so this is like early rap? African Night flight

ebby
08-17-2010, 10:06 PM
Fantastic Voyage does seem quite more familiar Bowie.

African Night Flight, though, really doesn't. Seems like Bowie's "Sat In Your Lap" or something in terms of weirdness level, and unusual structure and rhythm.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:06 PM
It feels like a terrible fever dream D:

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:06 PM
(I started listening while I was walking home.)

ebby
08-17-2010, 10:06 PM
so this is like early rap? African Night flight

Totally. It's delightfully bonkers.

menju56
08-17-2010, 10:07 PM
Yes! I'm glad I'm not the only one who drew the African Night Flight - The Dreaming comparison. In the Kate biog Under the Ivy, Graeme Thomson says that some Kate songs sound like they were influenced by Lodger-era Bowie.

"Move On" slightly more conventional. Nice vocal, fast rhythm.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:08 PM
Hello, not-crazy!

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:08 PM
so this is like early rap? African Night flight
Oh man. Bowie does rap, records Under Pressure, and the two fuse together on Vanilla Ice's Ice Ice Baby. Musical history!

Move On is great. Love the constant movement. Also, backwards stuff! Yvan et nioj! All the young sedud.

ebby
08-17-2010, 10:08 PM
"Move On" - keeps the pace up. But there's still some oddness in those backing vocals. Some interesting sound exploration in these songs so far.

menju56
08-17-2010, 10:09 PM
I like the backing vocals very much.
Perhaps weirdly, it's reminding me also a little of Eat To The Beat-era Blondie.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:09 PM
The drums are really fantastic, I wish they were louder.

menju56
08-17-2010, 10:10 PM
"Yassassin" - classic late 70s/early 80s synths. Me like

menju56
08-17-2010, 10:10 PM
I'm looking at the album credits and one of Brian Eno's credits is "cricket menace" ;l

ebby
08-17-2010, 10:11 PM
The drums are really fantastic, I wish they were louder.

The lightness though gives a sense of speed that I quite like. It feels like a fast moving train or something.

Those backwards vocals were wonderful.

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:11 PM
All The Young Dudes backwards, yo. Headfuck.

Yassassin is good, delightfully goofy. Not one of my favourites, though.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:11 PM
I'm dancing awkwardly in my seat.

SMMY
08-17-2010, 10:12 PM
I can see the influence of Bowie's "private library" musings here. Nietzsche anyone?

ebby
08-17-2010, 10:13 PM
Very ska / polka? influenced, maybe, with some interesting eastern melodies added. (edit again: no! it's more reggae or something. .. it's an odd blend of world music influences)

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:15 PM
I'm really into the violin at the end too.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:15 PM
IS IT TIME TO ROCK OUT NOW? Or at least crawl around on stage.

ebby
08-17-2010, 10:16 PM
Red Sails seems more straight forward, musically, so far.

SMMY
08-17-2010, 10:16 PM
Red Sails synths remind of another tune, but I can't recall what it is. Argh.

menju56
08-17-2010, 10:16 PM
So far, it feels more energetic and... spiky(?) than the other Berlin trilogy records.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:16 PM
Nice guitar break.

ebby
08-17-2010, 10:17 PM
I think this song was ripped off by most 80's electro bands at some point.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:18 PM
I appreciate the experimental stuff in the first few songs, but I enjoy Red Sails much more. Also, FaFaFaFaFa-FaFaFa.

SMMY
08-17-2010, 10:19 PM
DJ reminds me of Talking Heads early work.

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:19 PM
Love Red Sails, it's so wanky.

Album's about to switch to side two, which people have noted differs from the first side. There's a switch from travel and other locales to looking at our own culture and lives or...something.

menju56
08-17-2010, 10:19 PM
"DJ" reached UK #29 in 1979

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:20 PM
This melody has also been totally ripped off by half of the 80's. I'm hearing Kiss Kiss Kiss-era Cure.

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:20 PM
Oooooh!

I love those kiss sounds or whatever they are.

ebby
08-17-2010, 10:21 PM
DJ reminds me of Talking Heads early work.

Totally! I quite like it though. It's funky.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:23 PM
Now, which is better, this or Don't Look Back In Anger?

SMMY
08-17-2010, 10:23 PM
look back in anger is amazing!

eta: this is a crazy album, I keep hearing elements of other musicans' work in it. Look back in anger = George Harrison guitar work.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:25 PM
This is a pretty damn awesome vocal performance.

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:26 PM
Maybe if we did a mash-up of the two or something?

Great outro here, and I love how the main vocal gets so...exasperated and into it, contrasting with the kind of bored backing vocals.

Boys Keep Swinging - check the video when we're done with the album:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jRODPlfhys


Bowie would perform the track on Saturday Night Live in April 1979, joined by Klaus Nomi as backing singer, (during which NBC censors muted the "other boys check you out" line).

SMMY
08-17-2010, 10:26 PM
Luck just kissed you hello

^what a great line.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:26 PM
The video for this is AMAZING.

ebby
08-17-2010, 10:27 PM
This side is very different indeed. More uptempo electro Bowie. Really liking it a lot though! Not the Bowie stuff that I know at all, but it's great!

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:27 PM
Boys do always put out, David.

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:27 PM
GIRLS CAN WEAR JEANS
AND CUT THEIR HAIR SHORT
WEAR SHUHTS AND BOOTS...

SMMY
08-17-2010, 10:29 PM
Repetition is so dark


But the space in her eyes shows through

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:29 PM
Oh man everything's gone all wonky! Domestic abuse via Earthbound.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:29 PM
This is odd.

menju56
08-17-2010, 10:29 PM
Liking "Repetition"

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:30 PM
Repetition is so dark
I guess the bruises don't show if she wears long sleeves...

Hits pretty hard amidst all of the energy of the rest of the album. It's pretty unsettling.

ebby
08-17-2010, 10:32 PM
That bass line is weird! Back to some nice strangeness to round off the record..

SMMY
08-17-2010, 10:32 PM
I guess the bruises don't show if she wears long sleeves...

Hits pretty hard amidst all of the energy of the rest of the album. It's pretty unsettling.

Not to mention the "just the facts, mam" detachment of Bowie's vocal on this one. Like it isn't anything to react to.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:32 PM
Red Sails closed side one, Red Money closes side two. (Unless you have the bonus tracks.)

menju56
08-17-2010, 10:32 PM
Nice bass in "Red Money"

SMMY
08-17-2010, 10:34 PM
Red Sails closed side one, Red Money closes side two. (Unless you have the bonus tracks.)

which I assume is much better than a bonus posse?

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:35 PM
I'm not sure, the bonus tracks are one new track and a version of Look Back In Anger he recorded in '88 that is twice as long.

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:35 PM
Not to mention the "just the facts, mam" detachment of Bowie's vocal on this one. Like it isn't anything to react to.
Yeah, the fact that previously (and now again in Red Money) he's been all about weird, rather dramatic vocals helps the coldness of Repetition stand out.

Red Money is a re-tinkering of Sister Midnight, which Bowie co-wrote for Iggy Pop. The moar you know!

Anybody listening to the Posse Bonus? (I never listen to that other version of Look Back In Anger)

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:36 PM
I will be!

menju56
08-17-2010, 10:36 PM
Red Money is one of my faves - really enjoyed the album!

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:36 PM
Ole! This has some more wonk guitar.

SMMY
08-17-2010, 10:37 PM
Yeah, the fact that previously (and now again in Red Money) he's been all about weird, rather dramatic vocals helps the coldness of Repetition stand out.

Red Money is a re-tinkering of Sister Midnight, which Bowie co-wrote for Iggy Pop. The moar you know!

Anybody listening to the Posse Bonus? (I never listen to that other version of Look Back In Anger)

Yes, I do. I don't think it really adds to the album, compared to the other tracks.

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:38 PM
I know I didn't have much to say, but I'm glad you guys listened and picked out allusions to and influences on other artists' work! It really is a very captivating album and a total goldmine given the connections you can readily make to so many @-approved artists.

ebby
08-17-2010, 10:39 PM
An interesting album. I think I'll need to listen to it again a few times.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:40 PM
I've been trying to get into Bowie recently, and I feel like I have this problem with a lot of music from the 70's other than disco and soul/funk where I just find it so remote, and this has warmed me up to Bowie a lot other than in an I KNOW HE IS AWESOME BUT I DON'T GET IT sense.

Whappo
08-17-2010, 10:42 PM
I've been trying to get into Bowie recently, and I feel like I have this problem with a lot of music from the 70's other than disco and soul/funk where I just find it so remote, and this has warmed me up to Bowie a lot other than in an I KNOW HE IS AWESOME BUT I DON'T GET IT sense.
We should do another Bowie party soon then! Maybe Scary Monsters or another Berlin album from here.

SMMY
08-17-2010, 10:43 PM
I think the standouts (while all the songs are really good) for me are Repetition, Look Back in Anger and Red Sails

I'd also be up for another Bowie Listening party. I haven't heard Low yet and would also love to listen to Scary Monsters since it's been years since I've listened to it.

insanitykun
08-17-2010, 10:46 PM
We should do another Bowie party soon then! Maybe Scary Monsters or another Berlin album from here.

I already know and love Low.

menju56
08-17-2010, 10:47 PM
We should do another Bowie party soon then! Maybe Scary Monsters or another Berlin album from here.

Yeah! I haven't heard Scary Monsters.

Other than that I'd like to do a Station To Station party

Whappo
08-17-2010, 11:00 PM
I think the standouts (while all the songs are really good) for me are Repetition, Look Back in Anger and Red Sails
My standouts are African Night Flight, Move On and DJ. I think I prefer the first half of the album, but it's really strong throughout.

Monthly Bowie party?

menju56
08-17-2010, 11:07 PM
^ Sounds good to me.

SMMY
08-17-2010, 11:21 PM
Yes, please!

.chris
08-18-2010, 02:38 AM
Here is my little take on the album. I have this awesome Bowie book that his tidbits about all his songs. I've typed some up here for this album.


Fantastic Voyage - A favorite of mine. As some have already stated- it definitely has that Bowie sound. That note he holds in this is killer.

"it's a pretty straightforward song about how I feel in a very old-fashined romantic fashion" (Bowie on this song). I kind of know what he means.


African Night Flight - I love how crazy this one sounds. Have to be in the mood to listen to it, but I love the adventure it takes you on.

"...The musical backing was based around Dale Hawkin's 1957 song 'Suzie Q', played backwards: 'Then Brian [Eno] decided to put prepared piano on it. He put pairs of scissors and all kinds of metal things on the strings of the piano."


Move On - It is totally the background vocals on this track that make it.


Yasssassin - Another favorite. It has such a unique sound. The strings are fantastic. I love the kind of call and call back in the verses.


Red Sails - Amazing energy in this song.


DJ- He sounds so much like David Byrne in the first lines of this song it is scary. Another fun track.


Look Back In Anger- "waiting so long I've been waiting so waiting so" - love this. Another favorite on the album.


Boys Keep Swinging - "When you're a boy, other boys check you out" =)
Bowie famously made his musicians swap roles on the track to suggest a 'young kids in the basement just discovering their sound': The drummer played bass and the guitarist did percussion.


Repetition - Least favorite of the album. It sounds like Bowie is trying to be Lou Reed here.


Red Money - Sister Midnight w/ new lyrics. Solid ending to a great album.

Despite the fact that this album is in his "Berlin Trilogy" it was actually recorded in Squitzerland and NY. "David described the album as a 'sketchpad' of his experiences among other cultures."
It has always been really high on my list of Bowie albums. The first time I heard it, I fell in love with it.


I would love to take part in another Bowie listening party. I would suggest- Station to Station or Diamond Dogs.