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Kala
09-11-2010, 01:00 AM
According to this article, Message to parents getting louder: No screaming babies allowed! (http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/message-to-parents-getting-louder-no-screaming-babies-allowed-2388887/)


In the latest burst of anti-kids-in-public news, a North Carolina restaurant is making headlines with signage that does not quibble. “Screaming Children Will NOT Be Tolerated!” read signs at the the Olde Salty restaurant in Carolina Beach, N.C. And while some parents have expressed concern that they are singling out disabled kids, most patrons have responded well.

Brenda Armes, the restaurant's owner, told the local NBC affiliate, WECT, the clearly stated message has been good for business. "It has brought in more customers than it has ever kept away," she said.

In Brooklyn, N.Y., the bar Union Hall took a lot of heat from parents/customers when it attempted to ban strollers. But the Double Windsor bar near Park Slope still followed up with a decision to ban babies after 5 p.m. As New York Magazine's Daily Intel reported, they did so with humor in signs that read, in part, that though the establishment is quite sure their customers' babies were "really mature for their age," they are just not old enough to legally drink alcohol. One "BAN KIDS FROM RESTAURANTS!" Facebook group has sprung up with 162 members. Even attendees of the Coconut Grove Arts Festival, it seems, had negative opinions about all of the strollers with kids in them at the Miami event.

Up in the skies, a recent poll by Skyscanner, a fare-comparison website, found that almost 60 percent of travelers would love it if airlines demarcated a families-with-children section on airplanes, meaning they would love to sit in child-free zones. And, nearly 20 percent of travelers said they would rather fly on completely child-free flights, period.

All of which begs the questions: Are people becoming more intolerant of kids, noisy or not, in public places? Or are more parents who bring their kids with them everywhere tuned out to how their sometimes noisy offspring may be affecting those around them?


I guess time will tell if we'll see more public bans in the future.

MTC
09-11-2010, 01:11 AM
This:
parents who bring their kids with them everywhere are tuned out to how their sometimes noisy offspring may be affecting those around them

Is what is causing this:
people becoming more intolerant of kids, noisy or not, in public places

When my boy was little, and if he acted up we left. Of course I didn't see the inside of a restaurant for the first 3 or 4 years of his life because I didn't want to bother other people with his possible shenanigans.

I've gotten way less tolerant of small kids in certain settings myself.

Kala
09-11-2010, 01:46 AM
I don't think restaurants, etc. really want to do these kinds of 'bannings' because of the giant hornet's nest that inevitably gets stirred up. But I agree, the problem lies with the parents who allow their kids to scream, cry, and just plain behave badly in public places by turning a blind eye/ear toward the behavior.

Churumbela
09-12-2010, 06:22 PM
The parents' bleating is freaking ridiculous. There was an article about the Old Salty story on our local news station's website, and it had about ten times as many comments as the average story. Lots of "OMGDISCRIMINATION!" crap. No one is discriminating against your children, people just want you to properly raise them to behave appropriately in public. When I was young, I was not brought to restaurants (other than "Happy Donalds" or the lunch counter) until I was old enough to keep quiet. My parents did NOT tolerate tantrums from me or my brothers. If any of us made noise in a public place, they took us outside until we could be quiet. But these days, everyone's perfect little angels are so precious and special that they should never be denied anything, and neither should their parents. Sorry, but you chose to have them. You keep them home until they can behave in adult establishments. If you want to go out and your baby isn't ready for a sit-down restaurant, then get a babysitter. Or at least be willing to sacrifice your good time to take you baby out of the restaurant when it starts making noise and disrupting others. And for God's sake, DO NOT CHANGE YOUR BABY'S DIAPER ON THE TABLE, YOU NASTY PIG.

aekiameh
09-12-2010, 07:01 PM
A few weeks ago I had lunch somewhere. A few tables from me were two moms, who met up and had a "wonderful" conversation going on. But their kids went running and screaming around the entire time, constantly standing at my table, talking, pointing, touching. Both mom ignored it, were to absorbed into their own things. Then the youngest girl took off, and one of the elder girls (about 9 years old) walked over to one of them moms saying "So and so just walked away." Mom didn't respond. The girl kept on repeating the same thing over and over again, in the mean time trying to keep an eye on the girl that walked away. Both moms didn't do anything, they were still so absorbed into their own stuff. It was painful and annoying to watch. At the same time, at another table, a two or three year old was eating with her mom. Mom talked to the girl with a soft voice, and the girl was just behaving calmly and wonderful. No screaming, yelling or running around. So it's possible, but most people don't even seemed to be bothered to try. Annoying.

schitzonicsox
09-12-2010, 08:40 PM
I live near Union Hall in Brooklyn, and since the stroller ban, several other bars have (thankfully) followed suit. I'm glad Park Slope is leading the charge.

As you guys are saying, this is more of a reaction to neighborhood parents acting completely inappropriately than a hatred of children. The neighborhood is really family friendly by bklyn standards, but that doesn't mean your kids belong in bars. The Gate (the bar mentioned in the article linked below) is a dank borderline dive beer bar. It is not a place you bring kids. Even well behaved kids. I am there to drink beer and whiskey and curse drunkenly. I don't do these things in the playground at the park...because that would be inappropriate.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/15/complaint-box-baby-barflies/
http://www.fuckedinparkslope.com/home/breaking-the-gate-is-now-a-no-stroller-zone-on-weekends-also.html

Oh...I'm also ready for this in movie theaters. I went to a midnight screening of Inception a couple weeks ago...and guess who walks in at 12:05? A f'ing couple with a 2-year-old.

SparkleMotion
09-12-2010, 11:14 PM
^^That movie theater shit boggles my mind! It used to annoy me to no end when I worked in a video store and I'd see 2 and 3 year olds wandering around the horror section at 10:30 at night with their parents. Bedtime, anyone??

Re: restaurants: The screaming/running child thing is so annoying and dangerous! What if the child crashes into someone? What if they run out into the parking lot and get hit by a car while their parents are ignoring their behavior? I mean, it's bad enough to have no respect for those around you but at least pretend to care about your child's well-being.

Churumbela
09-12-2010, 11:16 PM
The worst I've ever seen was in Connecticut. Small children, no more than six or seven, sitting on a bench in the hallway of a casino with an extremely elderly relative (presumably) while Mommy or Daddy is likely inside planted at a slot machine, chain smoking.

At two in the morning.

Lágnætti
09-13-2010, 06:19 PM
My local cinema now does kid-free screenings of certain movies that both adults and kids tend to be avid about, like Harry Potter. They charge about 50p more for the kid-free ones but they're still wildly popular and more liable to sell out than other screenings. This isn't kid-hate so much as bitter experience, if you ask me. I'm sure some miltant moocow would see it as discrimination against their speshul child, but who cares what they think?

A local cafe/bar in my town also displays a notice telling parents they must supervise their kid at all times and not allow them to run around and disturb others patrons or impede the staff.

Oh, and my local SF/comics emporium has an amusing notice on display. It reads 'Unaccompanied children will be be sold to the Daleks as slaves'. Guess they've had their fill of parents treating the place as a drop-off substitute creche on a weekend afternoon. OMG, they clearly hate children!

No business wants to turn away paying customers. However, it has got to the point where so many parents are so clueless and often incredibly belligerent about letting their kids carry on like demented screeching apes without even attempting to disclipline them that the businesses risk losing way more business by letting this continue. I won't patronise places I know will be full of endlessly screeching brats and I know many people - parents included - who feel the same way.

Oh and this whole changing a nappy on a cafe table thing? I've never seen it here (yet) but I think I'd vomit on the spot and complain. People like that should be banned from eating in civilised company and confined to some kind of pig bin where they can wallow in shit to their little hearts' content.

Lágnætti
09-13-2010, 06:22 PM
The worst I've ever seen was in Connecticut. Small children, no more than six or seven, sitting on a bench in the hallway of a casino with an extremely elderly relative (presumably) while Mommy or Daddy is likely inside planted at a slot machine, chain smoking.

At two in the morning.

I consider that child abuse. Kids that age should be in bed, not parked in an adult environment breathing in carcinogens.

Lágnætti
09-13-2010, 06:40 PM
I remember finding a lovely dirty, disposable nappy on an otherwise pristine white sand beach on a tiny island in the English Channel a few years ago. yet again, there was a bin no more than 50 yards away. Show some people a place of beauty, a site of special scientific interest, and wll they can do is dump their mini-me's (of which they are so, so proud) l'il bag of faeces on it. Yep, your kids will save the earth. Right after they've taken a plastic-wrapped dump on it.

It's days like that I think that peasants shouldn't be allowed to travel.

Churumbela
09-13-2010, 10:28 PM
Let me guess - Foxwoods?

STAY CLASSY CT.

But of course! (I will note -- this scene repeated a number of times at Foxwoods and seemed less frequent at Mohegan Sun. Take that as you will.)

Churumbela
09-14-2010, 12:56 AM
The rooms at Mohegan Sun were also (last time I was there, which was years ago) a great deal more expensive.

Medusa
09-14-2010, 07:13 AM
(and near the exhibits, where there are signs asking not to make too much noise as so not to disturb the animals). .

This is what pisses me off the most about loud kids in public places like the zoo. Without fail, every time I go there are kids throwing things, screaming, running around and acting like idiots and at the very least you'd think a mom would say "oh, the sign says to keep your voice down" but no! I've seen moms point to it and then seconds later let their kid screech at the gorillas. It makes it so unpleasant. For every fun kid you see enjoying his or herself at the zoo, there's another one ruining the experience for everyone, including other kids.

ontheindianside
09-14-2010, 12:30 PM
This is what pisses me off the most about loud kids in public places like the zoo. Without fail, every time I go there are kids throwing things, screaming, running around and acting like idiots and at the very least you'd think a mom would say "oh, the sign says to keep your voice down" but no! I've seen moms point to it and then seconds later let their kid screech at the gorillas. It makes it so unpleasant. For every fun kid you see enjoying his or herself at the zoo, there's another one ruining the experience for everyone, including other kids.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was the reason the gorilla at my hometown zoo was nearly suicidal and always throwing shit at people. Or maybe that's where it picked up that particular skill.

Hypatia
09-14-2010, 10:16 PM
For some reason I rarely, if ever, run into screaming kids in a restaurant. Supermarket yes, but not restaurant. But when I do run into them, I hate it, but I tell the kid, hey get it out now kid, cause you can't act like that when you get older.

I know it is unbearable, but truth is it is the only time in their lives that they can scream that loud to get out their dissatisfaction. What I really hate is when parents just ignore them.

SMMY
09-15-2010, 02:36 AM
Worst ever: was the screeching sprog, running amok at my orthopedic surgeon's waiting room for over an hour. Imagine a bellowing child hurtling himself around a room filled with pre and post-op patients, while his mother blatantly ignored his behavior. Finally another patient lost her shit and told the mother to take him in hand before he hurt someone. I don't know who I was angrier at, his mother or the doctor's staff for not stepping in and telling them to leave.

Medusa
09-15-2010, 07:45 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was the reason the gorilla at my hometown zoo was nearly suicidal and always throwing shit at people. Or maybe that's where it picked up that particular skill.

Almost all the animals at the SF Zoo seem pretty sad, and the worst ones are the ones most likely to be impacted by a lot of shouting/screaming. The gorillas are really off and the rhinos make me want to cry because they're a bit insane from the place. Lots of their birds look like they're in bad shape, too. I know the zoo took a hit after the tiger attack a couple years ago so maybe finances play into it, but it's hard not to make a connection between depressed animals and unruly zoo visitors who have no qualms about yelling at animals or throwing things at them if they're not "active" enough.

Somehow, the aquarium never seems to be as bad. I don't know if it's because it's in an enclosed space or if it's the lighting; since it's a little bit darker in an aquarium, I suspect that it makes people less likely to be rambunctious. This is good for me because I looooove the aquarium. I could spend hours watching jellyfish and nautilus. :)

Frangipani
09-15-2010, 02:41 PM
omg ^ the renovations at the Academy are freaking incredible. I'll miss the 2 headed snake they had but yeah. Their aquarium is beyond awesome (thats the one youre referring to right?) best aquatic displays with the healthiest specimens I've seen in the country. Even better displays than Monterey Bay.

SweetPea
09-15-2010, 11:10 PM
^ I LOVE the aquarium at the Academy of Sciences in SF! Although, the last time we were there (first Friday of 'spring break' this year) there were children EVERYWHERE!!! They were running, screaming, crying, etc. you name it... I even had a little kid run right into my side, like he thought he would go through me, and his mother gave me 'the stink eye'! ugh.

My sister and I took so many pictures of those jelly fish at the Academy... the floaty-ness and pinkness is hypnotizing!

Medusa
09-16-2010, 02:39 AM
Yup, I'm talking about the academy of sciences.

I imagine it gets pretty bad on the free days. After I posted that, I remembered that most of the times I've been there have been either down days or member times- the last time we went, it was some special member-only hour early in the day. We had a membership last year because it's actually cheaper than just paying every time I want to see a jellyfish. I know a girl who works with the cephalopods, too, so I like to go and check up on how my bros are doin' in that section.

MTC
09-18-2010, 05:52 AM
Speaking of screeching apes, we went out to dinner tonight to celebrate my son's 18th birthday. Two tables over was a family of 5. The two immature male apes kept getting up and down presumably to use the restroom which is located very near the kitchen. I mean how many times does a person need to pee during a meal? The small female ape kept shrieking at the top of her 3 year old lungs. Not one hush or removal from the parents. They were too busy trying to talk over the shouting child adding to the cacophony. It was a very small Japanese restaurant so even if we moved, we would have still heard them perfectly. So aggravating!

orange shampoo
09-18-2010, 07:27 AM
My husband and I went to the Bronx Zoo last weekend, and let me tell you, the screechfest was out of control. I realize it was an open space so there's not much you can do, but a lot of these parents were just completely ignoring their children outright while they stood and SCREAMED at the top of their lungs (and near the exhibits, where there are signs asking not to make too much noise as so not to disturb the animals). After a while, the noise started to get to me. I can't imagine if I'd had to abide it indoors.

Additionally, I saw not one but 4 shit filled disposable diapers left on the ground. Worse is that they were about 5 feet from the trash bin.

I really wish they'd have child-free days at zoos and aquariums. I get so frustrated trying to enjoy myself with all the screeching, getting stepped on, knocked into, etc. I just love it when the parents don't even care to notice -- like everyone is invisible except for their precious crotch goblin(s). Barf.

It was especially bad when we went to Woodland Park Zoo in Seattle. We were watching the snow leopards run around when a kid shoved himself in front of me once, twice... the third time, I wasn't having it. I stopped him and told him to knock it off. It's not my damn responsibility to discipline someone's spawn. (I'm surprised I wasn't arrested for OMG child abuse or somesuch.)

At that same zoo we witnessed a lazy-ass mother letting her little boy, bare ass hanging out and pants down around his ankles, piss on the side of the path. WTF is wrong with people?! The restrooms were maybe, um, 500 more feet down the way.

We're members of a smaller zoo/aquarium that's closer to where we live, and going early = FTW. If you show up right at opening you can have the exhibits mostly to yourself. It's surprising how much more active the fish/seahorses were without all the noise and banging on the glass!

pan
09-19-2010, 12:00 AM
too many screaming kids at the mall. why did I even go?

I truly feel for everyone who has to work there. I couldn't stay in Macy's since they were just so loud.

Maeby
09-19-2010, 01:11 AM
And for God's sake, DO NOT CHANGE YOUR BABY'S DIAPER ON THE TABLE, YOU NASTY PIG.


That is disgusting! I can't imagine changing a baby's diaper anywhere but a bathroom or maybe in my car. On a table that people will eat off of? YUCK!

Churumbela
09-19-2010, 04:09 PM
Yeah, you know, that's how I would expect most people to feel about it, but it's pretty amazing just how many people think it's an acceptable location.

pan
09-19-2010, 04:51 PM
it's still human poop...

eek...

JayPeaches
09-19-2010, 05:00 PM
A close friend of mine has twin girls who are constantly chattering and squealing. She's told me on numerous occasions that she doesn't like to take them to restaurants, etc., because she worries their incessant chattering will bother other people. They're not even that bad, I've babysat and taken them to restaurants before. I wouldn't take them to a quiet, fine dining place, but in a booth in a Mexican restaurant you can't even tell.

But I have this other friend who has one child that she pretends doesn't exist when she goes to restaurants. I've had to stop going with her because the last time we went to a restaurant, someone from the opposite side of the restaurant came over to our table and said, "Is that your child? She is walking all over the restaurant, talking to people who are trying to eat." And my friend goes, "Oh, she's so social! Hee hee." Even when she was in the booth with us, she was jumping up and down in the seat, squealing. My friend's response was to talk louder so I could hear her. I was mortified, but she's not my kid and it's exhausting for me to take on the parent role every time I'm with her.

Medusa
09-19-2010, 06:48 PM
I love the "if I ignore it/talk over it, it will stop" approach to parenting. It clearly works so well, particularly in public.

Girl Friday
09-20-2010, 03:34 AM
There is some neighbour in my complex that has a kid that screams incessantly for hours sometimes. I can hear the thing through my windows and have to crank the volume if I'm watching or listening to anything. And honest to god, if I knew which apartment it was, I'd call the cops. Public is bad enough, but at home, makes me want to pull my hair out.

Ryan
09-20-2010, 07:55 AM
I took my 4-year-old cousin to see Toy Story 3 a month or so ago. We went to a 6pm movie on a Monday night and we were the only ones in the theater until about five minutes before the movie started. A young couple with two small children came in and sat directly behind us. One of the children was probably only a year old, the other was maybe 3 or 4.

As soon as the movie started, the older kid got up and started running and jumping up and down the aisle. This continued for about ten minutes while his mom constantly yelled, "COME HERE! SIT DOWN! STOP DOING THAT!" Neither parent made the effort to get up and physically place the kid back in his seat. Common sense tells you that's the next logical step when yelling at your child for ten minutes doesn't work.

Then the smaller of the two started screaming and crying. And crying. And crying. Finally, my cousin turned to me and whispered, "Ryan, I think that boy needs a Time Out." ;l Eventually the couple got up and left, and we were able to enjoy the rest of our movie.

When a 4-year-old is annoyed by kids, you know it's bad.

Mori
09-20-2010, 08:26 AM
There was a bunch of kids running around in the store I work at. They were knocking into displays (which miraculously didn't tip over) and just being obnoxious. I wasn't working at the time, and I just had enough. I yelled "Hey, this isn't your personal playground!". The mom just gave me a look, I gave her a look and went on my way.

When my mom was a cashier, some lady and her kid were in her line, and the boy was playing with the receipt thingy. My mom calmly said "please don't touch that, hon". Well, the mom got mad and went to the service desk and complained that my mom yelled at her son. The manager went to my mom and asked if that was true, and the customer behind that lady said "She didn't yell, that kid was going to break something". The mom got even more pissed and said "I won't shop here again!". Good, and take your little asshole with you!

Frangipani
09-20-2010, 02:06 PM
^ Thats worse than the parents who encourage strangers to discipline their kids for them. Being ACTIVELY aware your kid's a fuck knob, letting him do whatever he wants and then getting pissed at a person just trying to protect their property? argh

Also, I think its terrible that it's come down to parents and their brats holding businesses hostage with their money and poor behavior. Families are a huge source of money and business is business, I guess.

The restaurant I used to work for was hosed down everyday with a powerhose, so that place was made for kids. But I hate seeing kids when I'm trying to have a nice dinner out.

Mori
09-21-2010, 01:03 AM
Well, thankfully my mom didn't get in trouble, but people do get away with a lot of shit in my store. Not really kid related, but they are afraid these people will go to the higher ups and cause a commotion. I have to say, though, I don't think many people do know about the complaint process, but the store managers are so paranoid that they just give the customer what they want anyway. The system really sucks in retail.

Kala
09-21-2010, 03:53 AM
Regarding the article I linked in the original post of this thread: there have been over 10,000 comments on it. Hot topic indeed. Some of the responses are well thought out & come from parents who don't tolerate bellicose shenanigans from their kids, especially in public places like restaurants. However, there are also comments which indicate that the onus really falls on others to STFU, stay at home, or avoid public places altogether.


You want a peaceful dinner? Learn to cook and eat at home!


Sometimes the best way to handle a stubborn roudy loud child in public is by ignoring their tantrums because attention only makes it worse. I will not have my childs education dictated by those who have no tolerance for children.


The quiet place with no noise and no kids, it's called your house.


first off,,all you insensitive assholes can go suck one!!!!i am not going to apologize for having an upset child,,,for what ever the reason my daughter is crying,,she will cry!!!whether it be in a restaurant,or where ever we decide to be at the time!!!!ALL I'M GONNA SAY IS,,IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT,,,THEN YOU LEAVE!!IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR MY CHILD,,THEN WHY SHOULD I HAVE ANY FOR YOU!!!!!


children are a blessing from the Lord. if you want silence go to your home and lock yourself in a closet.

I'm a fairly reasonable person, but this stuff is too much.

Girl Friday
09-21-2010, 05:26 AM
^ This. I really don't understand the lack of parenting and why it is acceptable. My mum had no qualms about pulling us from the store cart full in the aisle when me and my brother acted up. Or apologizing for getting in someone's way...

The whole stay home theory is such a joke. No one is going to stay at home from a job that encounters rotten kids. I had a friend get plowed over on a Friday waiting b/c some kid on heelies thought rolling around the restaurant was more fun than sitting in the booth. And she was seriously injured. And I bet there were no repercussions for him either.

ontheindianside
09-21-2010, 12:09 PM
^ This. I really don't understand the lack of parenting and why it is acceptable.

I think it's part of the Mommy Industrial Complex and the re-romanticization of motherhood - the same process that glorifies breast feeding and denounces you if you choose not to do it, tells you you're not a good woman/wife/(certainly not a person) if you don't want kids, and makes parents in general think that their lives - and those of everyone around them - should revolve completely around their EXTREMELY AMAZING CHILD.

And those comments are amazing. I'm baffled. I should stay at home because I want to enjoy everyday activities like eating and shopping around other people who have some sense of decency and respect for their fellow humans? I'm not the one who chose to have a little creature that I have to take care of for 18+ years. And if your kid is so rotten (or neglected - but, you know, by upper/middle-class white ladies, so it's okay) that you have to let it scream until it wears itself out, you should learn to cook and eat at home. What crazy people.

other pete
09-21-2010, 12:19 PM
I think it's part of the Mommy Industrial Complex and the re-romanticization of motherhood - the same process that glorifies breast feeding and denounces you if you choose not to do it, tells you you're not a good woman/wife/(certainly not a person) if you don't want kids, and makes parents in general think that their lives - and those of everyone around them - should revolve completely around their EXTREMELY AMAZING CHILD.

And most importantly of all - a parent is her/his child's BEST FRIEND.

Frangipani
09-21-2010, 02:27 PM
And most importantly of all - a parent is her/his child's BEST FRIEND.

thats sick, my mother did that too much to me and all i did was pity her for it in the end. i really despise that shit.


Regarding the article I linked in the original post of this thread: there have been over 10,000 comments on it. Hot topic indeed. Some of the responses are well thought out & come from parents who don't tolerate bellicose shenanigans from their kids, especially in public places like restaurants. However, there are also comments which indicate that the onus really falls on others to STFU, stay at home, or avoid public places altogether.










I'm a fairly reasonable person, but this stuff is too much.

Part of me agrees. Not with the all caps crap and the "blessinz from ze lord" stuff. When I was on @ I argued with that point of view regarding annoying cell phone users on the train. I draw the line at ear splitting noise, danger to others & property damage and rule breaking. Remember that story about that lady who let her kids sit in the handicap section because 'it was only for a few stops!'. yeah, not ok.

Lágnætti
09-21-2010, 03:00 PM
Re: Kala's quotes: the sound of semi-literate trash defending itself. They're almost as shrill and repugnant as their offspring. OK, more. At least the kids aren't yet typing badly-parsed defences of the indefensible in screechy-font on the internets. Yet.

Then of course we have the smarmy religious types with their 'childrens r a blessings!' bollocks. Yes, maybe they are a blessing, but nobody wants to hear your blessing expressing itself to the full extent of its lungs in public.

I have no problem with kids in eating places provided they behave or are taken in hand immediately should they start to misbehave. It's quite possible. It just takes actual, you know, parenting.

I used to eat in posh restaurants in hotels with my parents from age five. However, if I so much as threatened to pull any shenanigans whatsoever, there would be consquences, and not ones I would enjoy. Result: I could safely be taken out to public places, sit and eat quietly, not throw food on the floor (my mum would never, ever tolerate that shit) and listen while adults were talking instead of interrupting.

Lágnætti
09-21-2010, 09:33 PM
Hell, my mum once DID put my sister in the car. Only took once.

I don't eat out much at all these days, but last time I went somewhere nice (a country house hotel) with my parents and nephew, there was a family with two little boys, not much older than 5 and 7, who behaved absolutely beautifully. Quiet, well-mannered, eating like human beings using the correct utensils. It's sad that seeing that - even at posh places - is quite unusual these days. I felt like someone should give the mum and dad a medal or a round of applause or something.

Medusa
09-22-2010, 05:32 AM
Regarding the article I linked in the original post of this thread:


first off,,all you insensitive assholes can go suck one!!!!i am not going to apologize for having an upset child,,,for what ever the reason my daughter is crying,,she will cry!!!whether it be in a restaurant,or where ever we decide to be at the time!!!!ALL I'M GONNA SAY IS,,IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT,,,THEN YOU LEAVE!!IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR MY CHILD,,THEN WHY SHOULD I HAVE ANY FOR YOU!!!!!

WOW. REALLY?

Lágnætti
09-22-2010, 06:14 PM
It's fascinating to me how people can consider letting a kid screech indefinitely as 'showing consideration' for that child. It's quite the opposite usually, isn't it?

JayPeaches
09-22-2010, 06:51 PM
Why would you want to raise a child that everyone hates? Ugh!

MTC
09-22-2010, 08:29 PM
Screaming kids on a plane. There is no escape. One reason I rarely fly any more.

Alizarin Crimson
09-23-2010, 02:08 AM
The one time I had a trans-Atlantic flight, an asshole switched seats w/ one of his screaming kids so that I was stuck "babysitting" his two brats for FOURTEEN HOURS.

Medusa
09-23-2010, 02:23 AM
It's fascinating to me how people can consider letting a kid screech indefinitely as 'showing consideration' for that child. It's quite the opposite usually, isn't it?

That's the weird part. I dunno, if I had a kid and it screamed and cried constantly I might begin to think "hm, perhaps something is wrong and I need to take measures to fix this situation."

It's not like I expect every child to be perfectly behaved, but it's astounding to me that not only would a parent think that people aren't entitled to be disturbed by their children, but that their child behaving badly on a CONSTANT BASIS is just the way it's gonna be.

Kala
09-23-2010, 06:16 AM
That's the weird part. I dunno, if I had a kid and it screamed and cried constantly I might begin to think "hm, perhaps something is wrong and I need to take measures to fix this situation."


Hah! Here's one of the first responses to the article:


i have a 3 1/2 yr old as well as a 2 yr old and i can say my kids are screamers. the more i try to quiet them the worse they get. like they know my hot button and when they see something bothers me they push and push and push it,they have discovered their screaming is my hot button. they have done their screaming since birth and it is a high pitched blow your eardrums type scream. i have tried to stop it, even to the point the only way to stop it is to literally keep my hand over their mouth so they cant scream.i have neighbors and i know they have complained about it. people in stores complain when they have their little outbursts.i feel so embarrassed but nothing stops it. i am at a loss . it is like just stay home 24 hours a day and never take them in public..so i am the only one who will ever suffer from listening to their screaming. but should i be punished as well for their behavior by not being able to ever go out to eat, or shop?

This woman's two kids have been "screaming since birth and it is a high pitched blow your eardrums type scream". But what she wants to know is: should she be punished for their behavior by not being able to go out to shop and eat while they "have their little outbursts" in public.

I feel sorry for her neighbors, I feel sorry for anyone who encounters her & the kids in public places, and most of all I feel sorry for those children.

Lágnætti
09-23-2010, 08:07 AM
So basically, she admits a couple of pre-schoolers are in charge of her. That'll end well as they get older.

I bet you anything one of the things she hasn't tried to stop them taking the piss is a good, hard smack.

Girl Friday
09-23-2010, 10:55 PM
This thread reminded me of my rotten cousins when we were kids. They would drop and scream and kick if they wanted something, and every time they would get it. But if my brother and I were with them, we would be embarrassed by their behaviour. Pretty bad when other kids are embarrassed.

Churumbela
09-23-2010, 11:24 PM
Helen, you aren't allowed to smack your kids anymore, it's bad for their self esteem.

;)

Medusa
09-24-2010, 05:56 AM
Actually, yeah, you should be punished as well by their behavior since you're such a shitty parent that you can't seem to do a thing to handle that situation.

other pete
09-24-2010, 02:03 PM
Helen, you aren't allowed to smack your kids anymore, it's bad for their self esteem. ;)

LOL Are we presuming Helen means hitting one's own kids, or just laying in a good left hook at an obnoxious brat once in a while? God knows there's been times when I've wished someone would.

Lágnætti
09-24-2010, 02:54 PM
Oh, both. Obviously. Although a two-by-four is far preferable to a left hook. IMO IMO IMO.

FaerieDreamer
09-25-2010, 06:47 AM
yes, I know, I'm a parent, and I will sneak out of here quietly after I tell you all what I experienced tonight. And by far the things mentioned in this thread I agree with and do my best to not let me own kids do.

So tonight we went to a baseball game. We got our tickets through my son's school as a fundraiser so we were sitting in the middle of lots of other families from the school. There was a group of boys probably between 8 and 10 years old sitting in the row in front of us. Said row happened to be the first row of the third level, right above the second level. This group of boys had no parents sitting anywhere near them, but up a couple of rows behind us. The boys were screaming, jumping around, yelling all over the section to their friends, climbing over seats, the whole bit through the entire game. Now I know its a baseball game, and a certain amount of rowdiness is expected, but this was just over the top ridiculous. Ushers came by at least three times that I noticed to tell them to stop kicking their peanut shells and shit over the ledge because they were dropping them onto the people below them. They were standing on the seats and blocking everyone's view so much that a kid sitting next to me (who was about their age) asked them to sit down. they were hanging OVER THE RAIL at one point. One kid literally climbed over the aisle and stood on my daughters seat (she was on my lap) to talk to his parents. Another sat up on the back of his seat and ended up sitting on my drink cup!

I was livid the entire game. These little shits ruined the game for us tonight. And really made me remember that while I love *my* kids, I don't particularly like other kids very much!

Girl Friday
09-25-2010, 06:25 PM
^Um no. My mum would have given a pop, as a warning. Act up again, you go home. Why is that concept so hard?!

gyabou
09-25-2010, 09:26 PM
This woman's two kids have been "screaming since birth and it is a high pitched blow your eardrums type scream". But what she wants to know is: should she be punished for their behavior by not being able to go out to shop and eat while they "have their little outbursts" in public.

I feel sorry for her neighbors, I feel sorry for anyone who encounters her & the kids in public places, and most of all I feel sorry for those children.

Jesus Christ, when I read stuff like this, I always think "Are these parents completely clueless? Have they never even watched an episode of Supernanny or something?" Her kids scream so much because they can sense how hysterical she's getting about it. Putting your hands over their mouths? No, honey. If your kid is screaming, you punish them. You put them in a room or in a corner for a period of time and make them stay there. You teach them consequences. And if you're in a public place, you drag them out of there. Parents don't want to do this for a few reasons: they don't want to leave themselves; and it makes them look bad. Plus "my kids will hate me forever, wah!" The only thing I can say if you can't handle something that simple, you shouldn't have become a parent in the first place.

I also hate the "ignore your kids screaming because they want your attention" schtick. That is bullshit. You shouldn't encourage or enable their bad behavior, but just ignoring it is also just showing them that they can scream and cry and be a brat and not get in trouble for it. You've got to have one fucking huge ego to think that simply keeping your princely gaze averted from your child is going to hurt them to the quick and suddenly turn them into little angels. Whenever I see some stupid cow sticking her nose up in their air and pretending her child isn't writing on the ground shrieking at her feet, I just want to go up to her and bitchslap her.

cinny~lou
09-27-2010, 01:13 AM
i have a 3 1/2 yr old as well as a 2 yr old and i can say my kids are screamers.

I wonder what's going to happen when these to kids start school? I can guarantee it's not going to be pretty.

Becka
09-28-2010, 02:13 AM
I wonder what's going to happen when these to kids start school? I can guarantee it's not going to be pretty.

Apparently it keeps going. My 4yr old comes home every day and in telling me about school will mention that Joel screams a lot and ignores the teacher when instructed to stop.

Churumbela
09-28-2010, 11:18 PM
^
Those screaming kids will probably get coded with the "developmental issue" du jour (the current is "Oppositional Defiance Disorder") and have a one-on-one.

When I was a kid Oppositional Defiance Disorder was known as "being a brat."

stillorbiting
09-28-2010, 11:32 PM
I was in the library yesterday and there were two little boys running around SCREAMING. One of them eventually grabbed a chair from a table and started pushing it around the perimeter of the room. They were clearly upset and bored out of their minds because their mother was on one of the computers, talking to her friends on Gmail Chat and ignoring them entirely. I couldn't believe a librarian didn't say anything. I don't even think the mother heard them. It really seemed like she'd learned to tune it out, which is... I don't even know.

gyabou
09-29-2010, 12:09 AM
^Oh, I had a similar experience in a library recently, though the kid wasn't that loud. I felt bad for him. His mother was on her laptop, using the library's free wifi I imagine, and had she, say, stopped and got the kid some picture books from the children's section? Nooo. He had a couple of toy cars to amuse himself with, but he was already bored when I got there, and they didn't leave for another half an hour after that. He was quiet but fidgety for awhile, then he started asking his mother when he could go home, then he started crawling around on the carpet, then he started calling her name, then he started making noises trying to amuse himself ... while she just fucked around on her laptop and ignored him except to snap at him every once in awhile. For fuck's sake, lady.

SparkleMotion
09-29-2010, 12:36 AM
When I was a kid Oppositional Defiance Disorder was known as "being a brat."

Dear lord please tell me people are not actually using this term in the medical community.

Churumbela
09-29-2010, 12:42 AM
I'm not kidding, unfortunately. My friend had an "ODD" kid in her student teaching class.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_Defiance_Disorder

Medusa
09-29-2010, 07:25 AM
I'd heard ODD before but thought you had to be REALLY fucked up to have it actually apply.

We've started working with younger kids at our office (normally we work with kids 12 and up) Pro- they can be really cute at times. Con- moms who just warehouse kids and treat everything like a daycare opportunity and ignore their screaming children.

They've been dropping the kids off earlier and earlier for a group class. First 10 minutes early, then 15, 20, and today they were 40 minutes early. 40 minutes of screaming in the halls and throwing things. When mom came in for their first session, she just grinned and said "aren't they little bundles of energy?" while the kids started screaming "WHO FARTED? YOU FARTED" every ten seconds.

GREAT!

Frangipani
09-29-2010, 02:33 PM
^
Those screaming kids will probably get coded with the "developmental issue" du jour (the current is "Oppositional Defiance Disorder") and have a one-on-one.

When I was a kid Oppositional Defiance Disorder was known as "being a brat."

is there a pill for that? Is it in the DSM? thats terrible and funny all at the same time.

OH ETA went right over the wiki link. NEVERMIND ME

Lágnætti
09-29-2010, 07:23 PM
I'd heard ODD before but thought you had to be REALLY fucked up to have it actually apply.

We've started working with younger kids at our office (normally we work with kids 12 and up) Pro- they can be really cute at times. Con- moms who just warehouse kids and treat everything like a daycare opportunity

Great phrase, 'daycare opportunity'. Basically anywhere outside the house is that for some idiots.

But why does your employer allow it? I worked at a school where they sent out letters telling parents they MUST pick up their kids immediately after lessons (or you know, send the maid, which was the more likely option) or basically go elsewhere because it was getting to the point where teachers were waiting 40 minutes to an hour after their paid hours ended so some dumb parent could be bothered to glide by and pick up their kiddie up. They told them it was non-negotiable, if they didn't like it they could try another service and that was that. Total business lost? Practically none.

I don't get this pathetic, doormat approach some businesses have. If you let a small proportion of customers shit up the place to keep them around, you'll lose other, better customers, ones you might actually want to keep. If your product is good, people will buy it - bowing and scraping to the scum doesn't attract anything but scum.

Lágnætti
09-29-2010, 07:30 PM
^
Those screaming kids will probably get coded with the "developmental issue" du jour (the current is "Oppositional Defiance Disorder") and have a one-on-one."

Yes, let's pathologize totallty normal childhood behaviours, like trying it on to see how far you can push things before you get put in your place. WELL DONE PSYCH INDUSTRY. I'm sure you and the drug companies are making a fantastic buck from this. Meanwhile, I'm sure none of this will come back to bite these kids in the backside in the future in terms of insurances and work etc. Maybe it's useful to be so speshul in a coddled educational envirnoment, maybe it gets you off the hook or buys you lots of free shit and little sessions with a trained keeper, but believe me, nobody is going to give a flying fuck about your special idiot needs in the workplace, least of all your poor coworkers.

Frangipani
09-29-2010, 07:34 PM
Or better yet, they burden our social security system because they have the disorder.

Lágnætti
09-29-2010, 07:49 PM
I'm sure the prison guards will be super-sympathetic though!

JayPeaches
09-29-2010, 07:55 PM
I'm sure ODD is a big old crock of crap, but I swear that bitch-ass co-worker of mine has it. My husband calls it "Oppo." There are some people (kids/adults) who just have to do the fucking OPPOSITE of everyone else, particularly if they are specifically asked to do something. You say black, they say white. 10 minutes later, you say white and they say black. It's so frustrating. That bitch-ass co-worker of mine would even do this type of crap in otherwise drama-free situations, like the planning of a potluck lunch. She'd sign up for something and purposely bring something completely different. Or if we were having a staff photo taken and my boss asked us to wear neutral colors, she'd purposely show up in hot pink.

GAHHHH!!!

I do have a friend who says her son was diagnosed with it, but I haven't seen anything in his behavior that would indicate that he has anything like that. He is kind of hyper, but when she starts doing the countdown, he obeys.

Lágnætti
09-29-2010, 08:40 PM
Yeah, in Britain we call it 'being a cunt'.

Kala
09-30-2010, 01:55 AM
According to this article (http://aacap.org/page.ww?name=Children+with+Oppositional+Defiant+Disorder&section=Facts+for+Families) published by the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry:


One to sixteen percent of all school-age children and adolescents have ODD.


A child presenting with ODD symptoms should have a comprehensive evaluation. It is important to look for other disorders which may be present; such as, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), learning disabilities, mood disorders (depression, bipolar disorder) and anxiety disorders. It may be difficult to improve the symptoms of ODD without treating the coexisting disorder. Some children with ODD may go on to develop conduct disorder.

I certainly understand that some children suffer from mood and anxiety disorders. But the complexity of and proposed treatments for things like ODD (which I had never heard of before) must be a bit overwhelming to parents.


Treatment of ODD may include: Parent Management Training Programs to help parents and others manage the child’s behavior. Individual Psychotherapy to develop more effective anger management. Family Psychotherapy to improve communication and mutual understanding. Cognitive Problem-Solving Skills Training and Therapies to assist with problem solving and decrease negativity. Social Skills Training to increase flexibility and improve social skills and frustration tolerance with peers.

And what the deuce is conduct disorder?

Frangipani
09-30-2010, 10:09 AM
I just wish I couldve gotten in on the piles and piles of money companies are getting by diagnosing kids as....well- kids.

Conduct disorder? Well doesnt psychology define disorders as anything that gets in the way of a "normal life"? Maybe the DSM should release a book describing how a normal life works so people who dont want to be drugged can stay within it's parameters.

Churumbela
09-30-2010, 10:37 PM
And what the deuce is conduct disorder?

That is what spoiled brats have when they're all grown up.

Medusa
10-01-2010, 03:57 AM
I don't get this pathetic, doormat approach some businesses have.

I don't get it either. My boss is a pushover. I've tried to talk to parents but have been dissuaded because she doesn't want to "bother" clients. But by the same token, she's not the one who ends up having to spend time watching them.

Kala
10-10-2010, 08:19 PM
I was in Panera Bread this morning with my family and a few tables behind us 2 kids were screaming while the adults accompanying them ignored it. They'd been rowdy for a couple of minutes, but then headlocks ensued and the decibel level went way up.

I turned around and said in a loud, firm voice [with scowl face] "CALM YOURSELVES". Said kiddos looked at me for a few seconds like I was from Mars but did STFU. In fact, I heard not a peep from them for the rest of the meal.

Funny - my family initially gave me looks like "HDU Kala tell other people's children what to do!" - but I am sure they appreciated the fact that we could hear one another quietly talking while we enjoyed finishing our breakfast.

Maeby
10-11-2010, 10:53 PM
^ Telling other people's children to shut the hell up and to behave is the best. Kids almost always shut up once a stranger tells them to. I think it might be that the kids are shocked that anyone would dare say anything to them. Sometimes words aren't even necessary. Just look at the kids the right way and you'll have them in their seats with their mouths closed.

iamstilljamiepoo
10-12-2010, 02:03 PM
^
I love that you said, "Calm Yourselves"
That just adds more win to the story.

My brother has five kids through two women. So, one mom has two kids that are calm and mostly behave in restaurants. The other three with the other mother are total fucking heathens. Love them, I do. But...honestly.
I was at dinner with wife two and children. They were jumping around, grabbing menus from adults at the table, fighting with silverware. At first, mom would tell them to stop and after the 4th or 5th time, would just tune them out. Way to follow through! So, finally I started taking away silverware, asking them to sit up, blah blah. Mom got pissed. She said, "I've got this, Jamie."
The meal was pretty awkward after that.
I don't think you do! Man I wish I would have said that.

Lo
10-12-2010, 04:26 PM
I was at a restaurant once and there were two moms (or maybe babysitters? they were teens) letting their kids go apeshit. I've never seen anything like it. After a few minutes another mother all the way across the restaurant, with her own behaved children next to her, screams "THAT'S ENOUGH!!"

Then there was silence. It was awesome.

Savannah
10-13-2010, 01:35 PM
Ok, so this is not technically a public place, I guess, but it is driving me fucking nuts.

I have new neighbors whose property is about 5 feet from my house, so everything they do outside I can hear very clearly from my living room. Their kid, who sounds about 6-8, is the loudest and most obnoxious little bastard I've ever encountered. You know how when you're playing a video game, there are characters in the background just doing one simple thing over and over because it takes too much time to program all of them to do something complicated? That's what this kid does. His one thing is to run circles around and around their house, shouting "Ya-hoo! Ya-hoo!" over and over and over and over and over.

ontheindianside
10-18-2010, 02:27 PM
So, somehow this article came up in my work Google Alerts (which is weird, because it has nothing to do with anything even related to my job), so obviously I read it. I was kind of flabbergasted, but mind that it came from Utah.


http://www.standard.net/topics/opinion/2010/10/15/whats-all-these-grumpy-people-who-cant-tolerate-children


What's with all these grumpy people who can't tolerate children?
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Friday, October 15, 2010 - 12:14pm

What's with all these grumpy people who can't tolerate children?

My goodness, but we're becoming intolerant.

The other day I went to get my vehicle serviced. I have three small children under the age of five, so taking them with me wherever I go is often an unfortunate given.

Okay. I guess I'll give you that. Your kids are three or whatever and can't babysit each other, and it does seem a little crazy to ask people to get a babysitter so they can run errands (on the other hand, whatever happened to preschool?) Here's where it gets bad.


As we waited for our car, my five-year-old and two-year-old made themselves comfortable sitting together in a chair, sharing a box of French fries. They did not yell. They did not cry. They were not pushing over tables, nor were they urinating in the corner.

Oh, my god! What well behaved children. They weren't urinating on the floor? Gold star!


My kids sat there happily, chatting with each other and talking my ear off--something I have learned to lovingly tune out.

"Excuse me," said one of the ladies sitting nearby. She sounded irritated so I looked up and smiled. "I'm just going to move over there," she said. "I have my own grandkids; I get enough of this at home." She then huffed off to the other side of the store, leaving me speechless staring after her.

Well good golly, Heaven forbid people take their small children out in public. Since when did we stop exercising a little patience with each other? I was flabbergasted that someone (a previous parent at that) could be so openly rude. Like telling me she was bothered could change the situation? I felt like saying, "They've got my keys, Lady. We're just as trapped as you are."

Sure, woman 2 could have just moved quietly without saying anything, but woman 1's kids were "talking [her] ear off," so much so that she had to utilize the wonderful skill she's developed: "lovingly tun[ing them] out." I don't know about you, but I understand woman 2's frustration. When I'm in a doctor's office or other kind of waiting room (such as a car maintenance place), I've got a book I'm reading, and I'm annoyed enough as it is. I don't want to listen to your kids talk your - and by extension my - fucking ear off. I haven't learned to tune it out, and I plan on never having to do so. I would like to be able to concentrate on my book without having to re-read each sentence five times. I don't see why I should have to put up with chattering kids (and, come on, when kids talk, they are yelling/screaming; they're not having a quiet conversation like polite adults might) because you can't explain to them that it's polite to be quiet - actually quiet - when in a public place.


I see this happening everywhere. Last weekend my girlfriend took her kids to the Alpine Slide in Park City. At the top of the slide, she kindly asked the attendant if he would take a photo before they made their trip down.

"What do I look like?" he said, "That's not part of my job." Right. Obviously, you're so busy guarding the top of the mountain, you can't pause to take someone's photo.

What this has to do with anything, I have no idea. But, uh, yeah, guarding the top of the mountain does seem somewhat important.


I've been ruminating about the cause of our increased lack of patience, and while I'd like to blame it on the White House, I think it goes further than that.

Okay, weird. How exactly could you blame the White House for people's "lack of tolerance" of your kids? And enter more odd, relatively unrelated speculation.


More and more regularly, our relationships have gone digital. Whether it's a cell phone thing, or an Internet thing, we are losing our manners simply through lack of interaction.

When was the last time you had a new acquaintance to dinner? When was the last time your family sat down and actually had dinner together, period? It is our job to teach our children tolerance. How can we do that if we don't teach them to treat others with respect, starting with the ones they share a roof with.

Growing up, we were routinely exposed to people of different cultural and economic backgrounds. My dad was constantly bringing home strays. Whether they were travelers looking for a spot to park their rig for a week, or families who'd fallen on hard times and needed a roof for a month, our front door was a revolving circus.

I remember one man in particular, Bill. As a nine-year-old girl, I didn't like Bill. He had a limp that made me nervous, he smoked cigarettes, his dog was stinky, and he parked his dirty old camping trailer right outside our house.

I made it my mission to be so mean to Bill, he would decide it wasn't worth the hot showers and take his gypsie wagon elsewhere. Trust me, I might have been a kid, but kids unchecked can be pretty darn rotten.

Oh, so you admit that. But your kids aren't "unchecked." They're jostling with each other in a chair, eating french fries, and talking incessantly to the point where it bothers OLD PEOPLE - not those grumpy, selfish childless assholes, but actual grandmothers.


This behavior of mine went on stealthily for a week or two, until my mother caught wind of it.

"Do you have any idea what his life has been like?" she asked me. "He's here because he's trying to turn his life around. He owes Dad money, and asked if he could work it off by helping out with the farm. What, you think that just because he doesn't have a nice house, or because he walks funny that he's not as important as you are?"

It made a big impression on me. Tolerance and patience come from interaction with people, sometimes people that have different lifestyles or cultures than our own. And sometimes, those interactions make us uncomfortable. Whether you feel irritated because of different social backgrounds or political disparities, a little kindness can go a long way.

And end on a totally unrelated note. How exactly did we get from an anecdote about how someone was bothered by your children to the Internet, tolerance, and patience. These are not inseparable issues. I kind of understand what she's trying to say (that now that we so frequently interact digitally, we have gotten worse at interacting politely in person, which may or may not be true), but it's a little random and undercooked. Basically, what I got out of the story is that people should be nicer about your annoying children. Never mind the extreme intolerance hurled at racial and sexual/gender minorities: it's all about your ability to get your car serviced without having other people bothered by your kids. Okay. How this got into a newspaper would be beyond me if I didn't know how fucking ridiculous Utah newspapers so frequently are.

I realize this is kind of random and not the worst example, but I just had to share.

Kala
10-18-2010, 06:47 PM
My kids sat there happily, chatting with each other and talking my ear off--something I have learned to lovingly tune out.

Er. Problem is because you tune it out, the rest of us are subjected to having our ears talked off. And when we have to try and tune it out, it sure as shit isn't going to be done as "lovingly".

Medusa
10-24-2010, 06:09 AM
Better yet, she's admitting that she tunes it out in the first place---- meaning that (whether "lovingly" or not) she starts to feel like that gets tedious. So why wouldn't it be tedious for us?

I had a fun scene today at Costco. We're in line and there's a woman in front of us yapping away on her little bluetooth headset while her two children scream and chase each other all up and down the line. I'm already rolling my eyes at that when, while the mom is turned around and watching her kid do it, her little girl comes up to me, screams at me, and then has a sneezing fit without covering her mouth. She gets phlegm all over my hand and it's totally revolting. I look up at the mom to see what I should do- I mean, good god, the kid just fucking sneezed on me- and mom just turned around. I don't really expect the world to stop turning but thought at least it could be an opportunity for mom to realize she needs to ask the kids to calm down and, better still, cover their damn mouths when sneezing and coughing.

I said something to nathan like "Can you hold the stuff? I need to drench my hand in purel because that kid just got phlegm on me." He says "is there a reason why we're standing around in this line while mom of the century is still chatting away on her phone and her kids are running amok?" I agreed to go stand in the other line, and said something as we were walking away (not loud, just regular tone of voice) like "Asking your child to cover her mouth when sneezing is clearly too much of a fucking chore."

We're in the next line which, thankfully, is moving even faster anyway when mom looks over at us, rolls her eyes, and says very loudly "Oh, I'm fine, I just hate coming to Costco because there are always smug little 30somethings whining about kids and getting melodramatic because kids dare to have fun in public."

Yeah. That's why I'm being melodramatic, cunt. I didn't catch the rest of the conversation but heard tidbits; something about people thinking they're too good to deal with kids just because they "can't" have kids of their own, and that it's some "new deal" that moms have to reconcile themselves to.

Lágnætti
10-24-2010, 01:13 PM
^I would have gone up to her and asked her loudly and with much disgust for a tissue and if she failed to provide it, wiped my hand on her instead. Bitch.

I'm not against kids having fun in public. Meaning at the fucking park, the playground or spaces specifically designed for their noisy, space-claiming antics. The supermarket is not a place for anyone to 'have fun'. Hey, if it is, maybe adults can start drinking, smoking and making out in the aisles? You know, fun. Adult fun. I'm sure mother of the year would totally approve that.

It's really about time stores threw out these lazy bitches and their spawn to make a point. The point being that they're trash and upset people who aren't and who use the pace for what it was actually intended and that idiots running around, however small they are, are in danger of causing an accident. I'm sure sales would actually rise at places where people who can behave in public knew they wouldn't have to endure screeching and pint-size disease vectors gobbing on them.

Also, better a smug 30-something than a trashy, lazy moo with ugly vile brats and no manners. I would probably have told her that too.

Churumbela
10-24-2010, 04:08 PM
^
Yeah, I probably would, too. My friends are just waiting for the day when someone hauls off and punches me because I just don't keep all my comments to myself. If you piss me off, you're going to hear about it.

Lágnætti
10-24-2010, 04:32 PM
When someone who was at fault previously does the obviously-meant-to-be-overheard, passive aggressive phone conversation thing like that, they're fair game as far as I'm concerned. It's fun to follow up on bints like that because they never actually expect you to. This is because most of the time they're allowed to get away with the trash-with- attitude routine or the OMGIHAVEKIDZ hysteria card gets pulled. The shock when the quiet, polite-looking victim actually talks back and puts them down completely is a thing to behold. Of course, the more cold and calm the response the better. It underscores their essential plebitude nicely for all around.

Medusa
10-24-2010, 08:41 PM
Also, better a smug 30-something than a trashy, lazy moo with ugly vile brats and no manners. I would probably have told her that too.
I wanted to but it was one of those deals where the moment passess so quickly that failure to act screws you immediately. My consolation is that we got through the line and out the door way before she did. I was kicking myself over it for hours, because if she thought I was smug before...

I say it all the time and don't think I should even HAVE to as a defense, but ultimately what irritates me most about the condemnation of childfree folks is that many of us like kids in our own way. I squee over cute little babies, I make faces at kids, wave, smile, etc. Seeing kids have fun isn't upsetting to me. Seeing parents fail to parent is what I hate, not children themselves.

Medusa
10-25-2010, 01:21 AM
Sorry to post back to back but this is the coda for yesterday:

We're out at Burgermeister today and a mom, another woman, and two kids come in. The kids both have skateboards and are going all around the restaurant. This place also has mirrors all over the walls, so when the mom starts taking flash pictures of her kids skateboarding everywhere (pretending to be a Serious Photographer(tm) lining up shots even though all will be ruined by the mirrors) the light just flashes in our eyes repeatedly.

I'm still trying to ignore them and eat until, just as I take a bite of my hamburger, one kid takes a big gulp of his milkshake and while mugging for the camera starts spitting it all back up again so it's all over his face until he drips it back into his glass and drinks it up. I get all urpy and Nathan's had it.

So he turns around and says "Hey! You! Can you get a picture of yourself being a shitty mother?"

I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to the ensuing argument because it was just Nathan and mom duking it out with the mom trying to "end" it by saying "Thanks for ruining a wonderful Sunday out!"

She calls over the manager and asks that we be removed because we're "antagonizing her kids."

The manager mumbles something and I don't hear it, and the mom just says "WHAT? EXCUSE ME?" She mumbles again and the mom's just going psycho and babbling and saying "you can't say that to us!"

Finally, the manager says it loud enough so pretty much everyone in the restaurant hears: "Lots of patrons have been complaining about the skateboarding and the flash. You either need to leave the restaurant or you need to take the skateboards away from your kid."

Our meal was also comped because the manager was really embarrassed that the waiters hadn't done anything about the skateboards until then. Ta-da!

MTC
10-25-2010, 01:33 AM
^Nice!

Nothing so awful but at least this screaming heathen made me laugh.

While at the grocery store this week, I was strolling down the breakfast cereal aisle toward the meats. A family of 4 is pawing over Manager's Special meats (meat near expiration) while the youngest is screaming his head off. Nothing articulate is emanating from his mouth, just pure noise. Dad, just loud enough for most around him to hear, give the usual "one more time and you'll get a time out" speech which did nothing. You can't really give a time out in public. Eventually the boy gets tired of just making noise and how he and his older sister are truly disciplined is revealed. At the top of his lungs he begins repeating over and over, "Stop that shit!" The shopping carts in the area came to a complete halt. At least a dozen heads, including my own swiveled slowly in the direction of the boy. The parents immediately stopped looking at the marked down meats and moved to another area of the store. Before they were out of earshot I was laughing my head off.

Mori
10-25-2010, 09:30 PM
It's one thing not to do anything about your loud and obnoxious brats, but its equally, second-hand embarrassing to see them yelling profanities at the kids. I mean how about teaching them to be quiet BEFORE you go to a public place. You know, do parent type stuff?

Lágnætti
10-25-2010, 09:48 PM
Sorry to post back to back but this is the coda for yesterday:

We're out at Burgermeister today and a mom, another woman, and two kids come in. The kids both have skateboards and are going all around the restaurant. This place also has mirrors all over the walls, so when the mom starts taking flash pictures of her kids skateboarding everywhere (pretending to be a Serious Photographer(tm) lining up shots even though all will be ruined by the mirrors) the light just flashes in our eyes repeatedly.

I'm still trying to ignore them and eat until, just as I take a bite of my hamburger, one kid takes a big gulp of his milkshake and while mugging for the camera starts spitting it all back up again so it's all over his face until he drips it back into his glass and drinks it up. I get all urpy and Nathan's had it.

So he turns around and says "Hey! You! Can you get a picture of yourself being a shitty mother?"

I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to the ensuing argument because it was just Nathan and mom duking it out with the mom trying to "end" it by saying "Thanks for ruining a wonderful Sunday out!"

She calls over the manager and asks that we be removed because we're "antagonizing her kids."

The manager mumbles something and I don't hear it, and the mom just says "WHAT? EXCUSE ME?" She mumbles again and the mom's just going psycho and babbling and saying "you can't say that to us!"

Finally, the manager says it loud enough so pretty much everyone in the restaurant hears: "Lots of patrons have been complaining about the skateboarding and the flash. You either need to leave the restaurant or you need to take the skateboards away from your kid."

Our meal was also comped because the manager was really embarrassed that the waiters hadn't done anything about the skateboards until then. Ta-da!

WIN. Give Nate a high-five from me! The manager too!

Although yes, they should definitely have been stopped from skateboarding the moment it started. It's a huge health and safety risk to have stupid kids hurtling around on wheels in a restaurant, at risk of maiming others and themselves. It's incomprehensible to me how much shit American businesses seem to think they and other patrons have to put up with from pig-ignorant trash.

Medusa
10-25-2010, 10:03 PM
Evidently, one of the comebacks that she had that I missed was:

"I wouldn't have had to take so many pictures if you didn't get up in every frame taking a bite of that gigantic burger"

Yeah, the fucking nerve. How dare a patron at a hamburger joint order a hamburger and eat it at his table. MOTHERFUCKER!

When he also called her kids fucking morons, she let him know that they attend a fine Montessori school so they're likely smarter than he already.

When they left the restaurant, the kids got right on their skateboards even though it was not only rainy, but also in a closed up mall area with crowded sidewalks. Durrrrrrrr.

Churumbela
10-25-2010, 10:25 PM
Asdlfkajsdlfkasjdf, Montessori. Not in any way an indication of how smart kids are, but often a great indicator of how smart their parents think they are.

Lágnætti
10-25-2010, 10:48 PM
Ohhh, Montessori. Total yuptard parenting ordeal. Figures the mother was all 'run free, young spirits!' while making sub-par 'art' out of the 'experience' though.

Lágnætti
10-25-2010, 10:50 PM
When they left the restaurant, the kids got right on their skateboards even though it was not only rainy, but also in a closed up mall area with crowded sidewalks. Durrrrrrrr.

If it's any comfort, given the obvious lack of common sense all around in that family, there's a fair chance at least one of them sustained a life-changing injury on the way to the car park.

I bet Mommy blogged her outrage later though, don't you?

Mori
10-25-2010, 11:04 PM
^or another classic Annoying Facebook Status! ;)

Lágnætti
10-25-2010, 11:11 PM
(S)Mothering.com may also have born the brunt of her Righteous Wrath!

Medusa
10-26-2010, 05:16 AM
Ohhh, Montessori. Total yuptard parenting ordeal. Figures the mother was all 'run free, young spirits!' while making sub-par 'art' out of the 'experience' though.
Totally.

Nathan made me feel awful the rest of the night by reminding me that those are the kind of kids I'd be dealing with at work in a couple of years when it's time to send precious children to precious expensive private high school.

I'm sure there's a blog along with the photos of my boyfriend daring to shove food in his "fat mouth" (another thing she accused him of- hilarious as my boyfriend is pretty much the ultimate skinny nerd).

Why do people who suck at photography pretend to be the coolest at it? I guess it's the same category as the people who compulsively write everywhere- the more showy you are about it, the more likely it is that you totally blow at it.

fox in socks
10-27-2010, 12:50 AM
what!??! i think burger joint skateboarding photos are the most edgy. i guess i pictured this as like a mcdonalds type place--until i read they had wait staff. was this lady fucking serious? i went to school with a montessori parent for a brief while. he was classic. worked for a non profit, his kids names were astyrd and ingryd. (yes spelled said way--unique!). anyway, he was a cocky fucker and came into the program with all these grand ideas about how to do treatment on kids. cut to 2 weeks after starting working with a kid and he dropped out of our program because he wasn't able to implement his vision on this little damien child. i ended up with damien once montessori dropped out but i seriously digress.

so the other evening we were in this epic line after a football/soccer match waiting for players to sign some shit. its seriously an epic line and the wait is usually about 90 minutes. so behind us are 5 boys--maybe 8 or 9. for the entire time they were pretty well behaved. parents were stars for saying things such as "you want to wait in line, then YOU stand here and wait in line, you want the signatures" and "dont bounce that ball. its annoying".

cut to the total opposite where these 2 boys spent a massive chunk of time running between people standing in line. i asked my boy if it would be horribly inappropriate to stick out my foot a bit. apparently these boys got "bored" and decided to blow their vuvuzelas incessently--at each other, at their parents (who were apparently deaf). they were far enough away from me that Stranger Comments weren't necessarily warranted, but i did assume that the 2 boys incurred a bit of hearing loss from their nonstop vuvuzelaing. horrible horrible things.

Medusa
10-27-2010, 03:58 AM
what!??! i think burger joint skateboarding photos are the most edgy. i guess i pictured this as like a mcdonalds type place--until i read they had wait staff. was this lady fucking serious? i went to school with a montessori parent for a brief while. he was classic. worked for a non profit, his kids names were astyrd and ingryd. (yes spelled said way--unique!).

Burgermeister:
http://www.burgermeistersf.com/locations.php

It's still a pretty informal place; there's a bigscreen TV over by the bar, so the environment's a little looser but skateboarding around just seems moronic anywhere.

Astryd made me wonder if parents out there have named their children Asterix and Obelix. If I ever did get knocked up I'd name them that and then send them to Waldorf schools and cry when the teacher dares to tell me that my 2nd grade children read at a 2nd grade level. Because that happened to me today. Or at least, the last part- not the part about naming my children after Gauls.


http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:o8ORLVOUkTnxQM:http://thesop.org/attachments/2009-006/vuvuzela-21749.jpg&t=1

Pete!
11-03-2010, 12:44 PM
"Hey! You! Can you get a picture of yourself being a shitty mother?"

That's perfect. Top marks!



Astryd made me wonder if parents out there have named their children Asterix and Obelix.

Oh no, don't put ideas in my head. I am now definitely going to do this.

fox in socks
11-05-2010, 06:54 PM
again not screaming, but so gross. so im at old navy (my first mistake i suppose) and im looking at whatever and i notice this puddle on the floor next to these two ladies and their maybe 3 year old kid. i didnt pay too much attention until i hear "do you have to go again?" i glance at the kid, shes kinda just standing there but concentrating on something (yikes), her shoes are wet and the little stroller/cart thingy seat is wet.

do the math and all but i was wondering a)would you not warn me or whatever as i was right next to said puddle? i mean im not blind but you know and b) i dont think id ask the kid "do you have to go again?' and wait for her to leave a second piddle puddle (or worse) in the middle of the store--id probably bring her off to the loo for that. finally once they realized there wouldnt be an encore of urination one of the women brought the kid off somewhere (assuming the loo) while the other one continued to browse and shop. um--your piddle puddle? want to alert some unfortunate soul to that? i dont know--just vile.

as an aside,as i was leaving, some other wee child in some other wee stroller-cart dropped his soda all over the floor. i pity the workers at old navy today. i also was reminded that mid-week shopping is kiddie hell. i also realized how grossed out by the piddle puddle i still am.

Lágnætti
11-05-2010, 07:01 PM
^Ew. How very unpleasant. I pity retail workers, I really do. They should get paid extra for having to deal with human sewage. I'm guessing the parents just strolled off and left the piss puddle for someone else to find (step in, slip on and break their neck) and report?

fox in socks
11-05-2010, 07:12 PM
of course! so between urine puddles and spilled sodas, its not the parents concern i suppose. i mean the rest of us should just understand right?

Lágnætti
11-05-2010, 07:36 PM
Of course!

I know accidents happen with little kids, who are really good at leaking and I know it's embarrassing (for reasonably socialized persons) to have to tell someone, hey, my kid pissed in the aisle, but come on. It's just basic manners to tell someone what happened and apologize and even offer to clean it up yourself (which of course the store won't let you do, most likely but the offer would probably make the cleaber-upper feel a bit better). Skedaddling with your kid really doesn't set a good example, does it? Aren't parents supposed to be more-responsible-than-thou?

iamstilljamiepoo
11-05-2010, 08:55 PM
^
My kid? I'd clean it up myself. I wouldn't make an unsuspecting worker do it.

OH! And I was on the bus yesterday afternoon. It was nearly full when I got on, and the only seat I could find was one by a mom with a kid on her lap. 3, maybe, this kid was. He's sleeping. I looked at him curiously because he's sleeping loudly. Snoring, like. He's three. He doesn't snore. No, I discover, he's sick and can hardly breathe. How do I know? He wakes up long enough to hack in my face. Then he goes back to sleep. I kind of turned my back to them because it was f-ing disgusting. And the mom called me a bitch under her breath. I let it go. I wasn't in a mood this morning. I mean, if your kid is that sick, leave it home. If daycare is involved, you don't take a sick kid to daycare, do you? I understand, you know, you need to work. I don't know. I guess you had to be there.

version2.much
01-11-2011, 02:09 AM
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Fernanda
01-11-2011, 12:56 PM
This is not about screaming kids, but it's as bad. I was trapped in a traffic jam last week and everything was normal, when I saw the door of the car in front of mine opening. Then, a 10-year-old girl starts vomiting on the street. I was like "ew", but I can understand that. But after all the puking, the girl starts throwing used toilet paper (LOOOTS) on the street as well! I'm sure the parents told her to do so. Then, the family was gone and that part of the street was a mess. Such a nice education she's getting there.

SparkleMotion
01-11-2011, 03:03 PM
I love how the mother points out that her 3 year old is "often the quietest in a room full of inebriated souls." Mother of the year, you are.

Oh, and if you're going to make this point, please don't use a fucking bar as an example.

version2.much
01-11-2011, 07:21 PM
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Lágnætti
01-11-2011, 08:24 PM
Feministe has become such a fucking (safe)moo-space. As for the twunt, sorry, 'activist' who politicizes dragging her toddler to barsfull of drunks in Egypt, the less said about her self-aggrandizing, pointless arse, the better. She sounds like a teen mother who think she shouldn't have to give up fun party times for one second for her kid's sake. She can drape it in flimsy pseudo-feminist politics, but that's really what it's all about. She wants her fun and her kid and everyone else can suffer for it.

SweetPea
01-12-2011, 06:09 PM
I work in a doctor's office and yesterday I had this thread ticking through my mind... I had a patient who's husband was keeping their kid with him in the waiting room and this kid kept screaming! Not the "I've pooped myself!" or "Feed me damnit!" screaming... just the "I can make noise with my face!!!" scream. >_< and the dad wasn't doing a damn thing. Well, except laughing at the screaming and giving me the "isn't my kid cute?" face.
No. Absolutely not, I don't care that you think it's cute. This is a DOCTOR'S OFFICE! Either quiet your brat down or go outside.

secretsekertary
01-12-2011, 10:43 PM
not screaming kids in public places, but shitty kids in public places with their asshole mother: yesterday at the (amazingly crowded) grocery store I went to the bulk foods section to get some pine nuts. A mother was there with her four little darlings, encouraging them to reach their grubby hands into all the bins and shove their faces full of whatever they wanted! The nerve! She was just supervising them as they pawed all the chocolates and candies!

sara
01-13-2011, 05:07 PM
^ That is fucking disgusting. I worked in a natural health food grocery store with a large bulk section and I'm sure if I or any of my co-workers had seen a customer doing that, they would have been asked to pay for what was eaten/touched and then asked to leave.

Pupate
01-13-2011, 07:48 PM
Speaking of that, I was at Whole Foods a few days ago, browsing the food bar before checking out, and I spotted this little kid grabbing pineapple from the fruit salad section, licking his fingers, and going back for more. I was horrified because I just made myself a fruit salad. Anyways, then his dad came up and said, "stop, don't do that" and then proceeded to allow him to get more. Argh, I might just get a job there just to act as a pseudo-child patrolman.

ebby
02-25-2011, 11:07 AM
This made me smile:

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh573qLrly1qd96ozo1_500.png


Seems like a good policy to me ;)

Churumbela
02-25-2011, 05:54 PM
;l

I used to have a sign in my locker at work back when I was a teacher that read "All children left unattended will be towed away at owner's expense." I used to open it on really stressful days to make our director laugh.

Frangipani
02-26-2011, 10:02 PM
At a coffee shop called Spliffs, next to a bong shop there was a sign posted "all unattended children will receive espresso and a free puppy"

Girl Friday
07-05-2011, 07:16 PM
This article (http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/05/granderson.bratty.kids/index.html)is amazing. I completely agree.

Nora
07-05-2011, 10:52 PM
Nice article - thanks for posting that.

I love this gem from the comments section:


As a parent of 3 yr old Twin girls decline is a must in my house. Now that said, there are THOSE days when they are particularly difficult.

Yup.

Girl Friday
07-05-2011, 11:32 PM
I hadn't even read the comments. People get so offended when they hear that's a horrible parenting technique. I've had managers when I worked retail and waiting who would ask parents of children like that to control them or leave. GASP. My child is angel! I'm never coming back here. *massive eye roll*

Churumbela
07-05-2011, 11:59 PM
I saw that headline at work today and was looking forward to reading the article -- it's great! And yes, "the Look" is effective. I don't even have children and managed to perfect it.

I had to do laundry yesterday morning (Happy birthday, Ammurikah, I need clean undies!), and there was a woman there with her two young daughters. They ran around the laundromat being noisy and playing ball with a balloon, despite a well-placed sign in the building stating that toys are not allowed and children must be supervised at all times. The mother did absolutely NOTHING to discipline them, until the laundry was dry and she started shouting at them to help fold because she wanted to leave. (I believe in having children do chores, but the older of the two couldn't have been more than 6, and folding seven loads of laundry won't go quickly with two small children. Take it home if it's so important to you that they help fold.) She basically did nothing but yell at them for about twenty minutes, including the words "fuck," "shit," and "bitch" repeatedly. It was disgusting. If I didn't think she'd have try to run me over with her minivan, I would have walked up and told her that the reason her children weren't behaving was because she herself acts like a child.

Mori
07-06-2011, 03:32 AM
I'm so glad my 18 month old nephew is a relatively well behaved baby. Hopefully he'll keep this up when he's older. My sister and I were absolute angels when we were younger (and I'm not saying this with a warped sense of memory, it was true!). We never cried, yelled, ran around and had tantrums in public. At home we were terrors but in other people's homes we always sat quietly or played nice until it was time to go home. My parents really didn't have to make an extra effort to keep us quiet, we just were. I'm hoping it passes down to my nephew. I have zero experience with wrangling children and really don't want to. LOL. I'm going to be reading up a lot on how to give "the look" because I don't want to be screaming and yelling at him in public. That's just as embarrassing as him screaming and yelling.

Kala
07-06-2011, 06:08 AM
I hadn't even read the comments.

Oh you should! I especially enjoyed this one:


I have to say, as the parent of an often poorly-behaved toddler, I agree with everything in this article. I don't know yet if it's due to my son's possible hearing issues or something about our parenting style, but he sometimes will just NOT listen to us. He'll be determined to pull all the gift cards off a store rack, slam open and closed a display case, or simply just want to be at that end of the mall instead of this one. But that doesn't mean we let him do it. Those behaviors get him strapped into a stroller or cart, or carried. And yes, he throws a screeching screaming fit about it. I am sorry for anyone he inflicts that on, but I know for a fact the store employees (if not the customers) appreciate that while they may have to listen to him scream for ten minutes they don't have to clean up after him for an hour.

WHAT?

First, as a customer, I will not remain in a store for five minutes let alone ten listening to some brat while "he throws a screeching screaming fit." I'll exercise my autonomy and get the fuck out of there. Seriously, no purchase is worth that.

But it's the store employees I pity who'll encounter this parent and toddler while he proceeds to torpedo his way through shopping malls everywhere. I highly doubt the parent's assumption that the hired help are feeling any sense of gratitude while their ear drums are being assaulted by the sounds of this little hellion slamming display cases while shouting at the top of his lungs. The idea that shop employees should find consolation in the fact that they don't have to clean up the kid's messes is both insulting and laughable.

Girl Friday
07-06-2011, 06:33 AM
Wow.
The spare the rod comments and arguments are a mess.
I don't know how parents put up with this. Sure not having "me time" sucks, but that's what having kids does. My mom would give us 1 chance, and if that didn't work, we left. If we were out to eat, we got the check and left. How hard is that? And no spanking or corporal punishment. Just plain and simple.

Chalk
07-06-2011, 11:48 AM
I loved the article, and started to read some of the comments... ugh... It says something about you as a parent when you think giving 'the look" means corporal punishment. When my mum used to give me "the look", it was a promise of punishment - if I continued to misbehave it meant I'd be grounded, no toys, no tv etc. etc...

Parents should watch Ceasar...when a dog is misbehaving it's almost always the owners fault. My friend who works with kids, tells me as a parent there's a lot to learn from Ceasar.

Girl Friday
07-06-2011, 07:51 PM
^ That made me think of the South Park episode...

secretsekertary
07-07-2011, 04:02 PM
Yes indeed, punishment is not limited to spankings and the like. And my goodness, growing up, we were also not allowed to stay in public if we were misbehaving. Which of course meant that if we were such trouble to our parents that our behavior put a kink in, say, grocery shopping or other errands, or having to leave a restaurant? oh we were in for a world of hurt when we got home. This type of thing is critical for kids - if you don't have clear boundaries, then they grow up without knowing what is appropriate in public and what is not!

I've warned my husband that when we have kids, we also will not remain in public if our kids are throwing fits. This will mean pain-in-the-ass return trips to the grocery, or splitting up so one spouse takes the brats and one spouse does the shopping, but ugh. Not going to let my kids be screeching idiots and force everyone else around me to deal with it.

SweetPea
07-07-2011, 06:46 PM
I know a few parents that think that even looking at their children with the "you are in so much trouble" look is damaging! I mean, seriously? My siblings and I knew that if my Dad gave us his "look" it was warning #1 and that was the only warning we got. After it that it was all over. But that first look was all it took. And there was only ever 1 time where my father swatted me on the ass... and I think it scared him as much as it scared me! But after that 1 time, I knew how much my ass was going to sting if I didn't knock it off when he told me to... As a result, I have "the look" perfected! Years of having it given to me by my Mom and Dad have given me a perfect weapon against brats LOL! And I don't even have kids!

Now, I know there are some people with a history of violent abuse that are afraid of repeating that with their kids BUT those people should be taking parenting classes and perhaps some sort of therapy or counseling for that exact reason. NOT use it as an excuse to let their little hellions run wild.

But I'm preaching to the choir here ;) So, yeah, I think sometimes those of us without kids need to speak up for ourselves when other people's children are ruining our experience somewhere, especially when it's in a place where children should not being making a ruckus... even if it earns us an "unkind word" from the parent in question. Maybe if enough people tell them "HEY! Parent your fucking child!!!" it will eventually sink in? Maybe?

SparkleMotion
07-07-2011, 08:50 PM
Thanks for posting that article, Girl Friday. I found it to be right on! The comments, yeah, I read about 3 and couldn't take it anymore. I guess I don't understand why parents who can't control their kids think all other parents will be on their side. I find it just as annoying and disruptive as any child-free person when a child is screaming and throwing fits in public. When I'm out to dinner with my husband, we're going out to get away from that type of thing. In fact, becoming a parent has made it even less tolerable for me to hear that kind of crap. I'm not the best parent ever and would never claim to be but I definitely know bad parenting when I see it. It's funny to be having this discussion since my 7 year old started acting up when we were out to breakfast the other day. It didn't last long.

Girl Friday
07-07-2011, 09:42 PM
For several months we have had a stair gang of tweens hanging out in front of our apartments. Can't get in or out without a fight. I've started just "accidentally" letting my monster purse or bag of heavy groceries knock them in the head when they don't get up. And they SCREAM. No reason, just ahhhhhh all the time. God forbid someone actually gets hurt, no one will give a shit. We have even asked them nicely to maybe go inside or just be quiet - can't even hear our tv or anything when they are out there. And of course now get mocked horribly since asking them - "Oh, hey, AM I BEING QUIET ENOUGH FOR YOU!! AAAAHHHH" So today Mr Friday came in and we have a lease violation notice on our door for all of the tweens' trash - no really, it looks like they took a trash can and littered it all over the stairs and breezeway. He called the office and they basically did it b/c of them. And will send the manager out if we start calling for them just standing there screaming. My mom would have killed me for acting like that. Kids are gonna love it when the manager starts coming out. And the police - since they are violating the statewide minor curfew after 11pm.

Kala
07-08-2011, 12:22 AM
^ I guess the "time-outs" they had while misbehaving as children didn't have much effect.

Girl Friday
07-08-2011, 12:29 AM
It's pretty clear (2 of the group are our downstairs neighbors) that their parents just don't give a shit.

inexcelsis17
07-14-2011, 09:38 AM
Not really about screaming kids (sorry), but the thread made me think of the comments beginning at 3:50. I find the whole first half pretty amusing as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSx_42ivLPk&feature=related

Jessy
07-14-2011, 07:44 PM
i have a great story.

my fiance and i were on a train platform, and there were 4 kids running around the tracks and up and down the stairs. yeah, not very safe, right?

one of the trains that come through was express, meaning it wasn't going to slow down or stop at our station. We saw the train, far in the distance, and my fiance and i both had a bad feeling about this situation. my fiance told the woman the train that is approaching is not going to stop or slow down, so she should watch her children to make sure they get away from the tracks.

the woman seemed genuine at first saying "oh, thank you'', but then turned angry, and said "Don't tell me what to do!"

sure enough, train comes flying by, blows on the super loud horn because a kid was so close to the track. Kid starts screaming, mom tells him to "GET OVER HERE!" loud enough over the horn. the kid probably nearly gave the train engineer a heart attack.

we wanted to say "I TOLD YOU SO!" but didn't.

why are certain people allowed to breed!!?

Stephanie
07-14-2011, 09:53 PM
You totally shoulda said "I told you so". Fucking idiot. I would have been having a heart attack myself.

fullofwish
07-18-2011, 12:24 AM
Not really about screaming kids (sorry), but the thread made me think of the comments beginning at 3:50. I find the whole first half pretty amusing as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSx_42ivLPk&feature=related

Oh, that was very amusing. And amusing because it was so grounded in truth! It frustrates me beyond all measure when my opinion or feelings on a particular issue can't be as strong/justified/real/true because I don't have children. I can understand the idea that having children gives you access to emotions and feelings that change you as a person - if thats how you feel, then OK. But I don't accept that it takes you to a realm of understanding that is unaccessible to me and others, and that that immediately makes your opinion more justified/real/true than mine. (And obviously by "you" I don't mean a particular poster in this thread, but just as a general "you" for the population at large who say these things sometimes ;))

I am so over the perception that I can't know some things, or that I can't be selfless, or that I can't love someone fiercely just because I am childless.

MTC
07-18-2011, 05:58 AM
No kids under 6 allowed at restaurant. (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/07/14/137859997/pennsylvania-restaurant-adds-new-rule-no-kids-allowed)

Sanctuary.

sara
07-18-2011, 08:32 AM
^ That was all over the news here on Friday. I wish more places would do that.

fox in socks
07-18-2011, 12:17 PM
No kids under 6 allowed at restaurant. (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/07/14/137859997/pennsylvania-restaurant-adds-new-rule-no-kids-allowed)

Sanctuary.i knew the comments would be lulz.


Kathy Lloyd (ShortStack) wrote:
Hooray! Now please ban all the ugly people, I can't eat while looking at them. Don't forget the fatties too! While you're at it bar the zealots! It's difficult to let my au poive digest with all that self righteousness in the room. And the Italians, all that hand waving makes me nauseous. this type of argument is the lamest ever. i often hear it on rush limbaugh. why am i listening to rush? i dont know.


Heather Saunders (Lils_Mom) wrote:

children are just small people. if you don't want to deal with other people then don't eat or travel in public.
________ forgive me, but people whose identity is "x's mom" get very little credibility in my eyes. also, again the argument is rubbish.


Ryan Victor (Ryan8) wrote:
Having raised my own kids .. "I get it" .. the slow one's who think their kids are cute or charming or special need a reality check. Listen to this ... I DON"T WANT TO BE NEAR YOUR KIDS!!!! This is especially true when I'm dining at an expensive establishment. This is a great start but it should have been 12. Glad someone took the first step!!! And all you parents who think we like your kids next to us... we don't! im down with you ryan. so down.


its funny the people who think the world revolves around their kids. i went out with a (pretty much now ex) friend of mine and her kid--i think he was one year or something. it was an indian restaurant. this kid trashed his high chair (and obvs the floor) with rice, pompadom, whatevers. TRASHED. i was dead embarrassed but the parents had nae mind. it was really vile---and obvs i was not planning a dining excursion with them like ever again. cut to my niecelet, whose parents are thankfully respectful. she dines cleanly, but dropped something on the floor. they promptly picked it up, put it back in the dish to be taken away, wiped up the drink she spilled. pleasant. the difference here is the parents. and what "lils mom" doesnt get is that its ultimately the shitty parents that are banned from this restaurant. sorry about the bad apples, good parents, but we all have that shit dont we?

JayPeaches
07-18-2011, 02:45 PM
Also, from that article Denali posted elsewhere, she bolded this part of the article and I want to comment on it:


But I don't believe making a child's wishes top priority is a demonstration of love. Nor do I believe I, or the rest of the world, should act as a surrogate parents for somebody's bad-ass kids.

You wanted them, deal with them.

That part I bolded is what really frustrates me. It seems like there's this massive movement in parenting to make children feel like the world revolves around them, that they are special snowflakes, that the world is their oyster and they can do whatever they want whenever they want. I see parents completely and totally changing their routines and their entire lives to cater to their child. I get that having a kid changes your life and you can't do everything you did before, but I think it's over-the-top to make yourself fit the kid's life and schedule rather than the other way around. How do parents not see that they are basically creating annoying people with huge entitlement issues?

One of T's bros and his wife are the epitome of this "cater to your kids" concept. It's horrid. Their kids are HORRID, so horrid that T's Mom has said, "They're my grandkids but I don't like them." We'll be eating dinner and both of the kids will announce, "I don't LIKE THIS!" so Mom immediately starts asking them what they do want and then gives it to them. You should see their garage - six bicycles, two 4-wheelers, two golf cars ('cause they fought over having just one), close to a dozen scooters, four dirt bikes, etc. etc. This woman has never uttered the word NO in her life, least of all to her kids. They have so much shit that when it comes to birthdays and Christmas, she says, "Just give them money." And that was when they were 6 and 7, and it's because they already have everything. I made a shirt for one of them for his birthday (with his name styled like the Shrek logo), and she asked me to make one for the OTHER kid, too, because "he'll be upset if his brother gets one." FOR HIS BIRTHDAY! When it's somebody's birthday, they get the presents, not YOU! ARGH!!!!

/rant

Chalk
07-18-2011, 05:41 PM
^^That's insane! How can you live like that. How can you let your kids live like that? They're are certainly not doing them any favours. They'll end up like my mate from grade school, who was spoiled (his sister too). Didn't bother to finish HS. He is 27, unemployed and still live with his parents.

And the thing with the toys. Have they never heard about sharing? I grew up with two siblings, and we didn't get along half the time, but from early on we learned/or was taught that by sharing we'd have more toys and even fun. Not that we had that many toys (we had LEGOS). I even set up a system of rotation on who and when could use the remote control (;l People don't think I had a childhood, but no I was a typical kid most of the times, except that I was just very OCD and systematic from early on).

Bloody Grace
07-18-2011, 06:32 PM
I made a shirt for one of them for his birthday (with his name styled like the Shrek logo), and she asked me to make one for the OTHER kid, too, because "he'll be upset if his brother gets one." FOR HIS BIRTHDAY! When it's somebody's birthday, they get the presents, not YOU! ARGH!!!!
/rant

This is an awfully common thing, and I will never NEVER understand this behaviour. Sometimes, when I was a kid, I received gifts when it was my sister's birthday. I was happy, but I didn't understand WHY. And now, I still don't understand.

I know I'd be an awful mother myself (that's mostly why I don't want children), but I see so many horrid mothers around. I often saw mothers leaving their kids to go around alone on trains, once another passenger had to babysit a little kid because her mother was too busy watching a movie on a laptop.

SweetPea
07-18-2011, 07:18 PM
I made a shirt for one of them for his birthday (with his name styled like the Shrek logo), and she asked me to make one for the OTHER kid, too, because "he'll be upset if his brother gets one." FOR HIS BIRTHDAY! When it's somebody's birthday, they get the presents, not YOU! ARGH!!!!

/rant

This makes me think of Eric Cartman, from South Park, for some reason... and you can bet that parents like this are HORRIFIED by characters like Cartman and would never make the connection that they are creating real-life versions of him.

JayPeaches
07-18-2011, 09:04 PM
There are some people who do it right, thankfully. T's other brother and his wife are doing a really great job, I think, and it's because they don't take any shit from their kids. They crack me up because when one of the kids goes running to Mom, complaining and crying, she'll go, "Oh, get over it." Or if one of them tattles, she'll say, "Well, tell him to quit doing that then," putting it back on the kid instead of getting involved in something she didn't witness anyway. And if the kids are defiant and behaving really badly, she'll take them out of the room and I don't know what happens, but by the time they come back, they're apologizing to everyone. She never, EVER tells them anything twice, because the second time she has to say something, it's to punish them for not listening.

It's been really educational, actually, to see how she and her husband handle things versus the other couple, and to see what a HUGE difference it seems to make in the kids.

lioness
07-19-2011, 09:20 PM
...You should see their garage - six bicycles, two 4-wheelers, two golf cars ('cause they fought over having just one), close to a dozen scooters, four dirt bikes, etc. etc. This woman has never uttered the word NO in her life, least of all to her kids. They have so much shit that when it comes to birthdays and Christmas, she says, "Just give them money." And that was when they were 6 and 7, and it's because they already have everything. I made a shirt for one of them for his birthday (with his name styled like the Shrek logo), and she asked me to make one for the OTHER kid, too, because "he'll be upset if his brother gets one." FOR HIS BIRTHDAY! When it's somebody's birthday, they get the presents, not YOU! ARGH!!!!

/rant


How many kids is all that crap for?!



There are some people who do it right, thankfully. T's other brother and his wife are doing a really great job, I think, and it's because they don't take any shit from their kids. They crack me up because when one of the kids goes running to Mom, complaining and crying, she'll go, "Oh, get over it."

I think saying "Get over it" to a young child is taking it too far, personally. I grew up with a neglectful and abusive parent with narcissistic personality disorder, and that's just too reminiscent of my childhood for me.

JayPeaches
07-19-2011, 09:23 PM
How many kids is all that crap for?!2. TWO!!!


I think saying "Get over it" to a young child is taking it too far, personally.
I don't know. I think kids whine and cry about stupid shit all the time and being dismissive of that sort of thing can be very effective. If a kid figures out they can get attention by whining about every little thing, it just makes them do it even more. If one of my SIL's kids is really hurt or legitimately upset, she'll deal with them. But if they're all, "HE LOOKED AT ME FUNNY WAHHHHH," I think saying, "Get over it" is dead-on.

hollerskates
07-23-2011, 04:17 PM
woke up at 11:45 pm last night to children screaming/barking in the parking lot. i tried to let it go and fall back to sleep, but i was already too fucking annoyed. i went out on the balcony and there were 3 moms standing at a car talking while their children were running around the parking lot playing "puppy." barking, screaming. etc. the moms were completely ignoring them. i really tried not to say something, but what the fuck? i calmly said, "hey guys? we're trying to sleep here." there was silence for a few seconds, and then one of the women said, "ok, we're sorry." they did get in their respective cars and leave within minutes, so at least there's that. but what the fuck is wrong with you that at 11:45 pm you're letting your kids run around in a parking lot and completely ignoring the barking/screaming??

lioness
07-25-2011, 08:26 PM
^ Maybe their kids should be in, oh I don't know, in bed, maybe? :rolleyes:

We are lucky that most of our neighbors are quiet old people. The neighbors right next door have a young child are totally great and conscientious parents.

SweetPea
07-25-2011, 09:54 PM
My husband and I stayed in a nice hotel this last weekend which happens to have a 5 star restaurant as well... we always have breakfast there and the last day of our stay (Sunday) we were just finishing up our breakfast when a young couple and their little boy (4-6 years) behind us. I'm already preparing for the worst since I could hear them before I saw them :s Well, as they were being seated the little boy starts RAMMING his toy train into the hand of the hostess as she pulls out a chair for the Mother. The hostess says "Ouch" and the Mother laughs and says "Oh honey, don't do that"... yes, that's right bitch, laugh at your child causing another person pain. ugh... after the hostess leaves, this little snot starts crawling around on the floor and pushing his train closer and closer to our table, all while making these horrible spitting noises. I turn and give the Father 'the stink eye' and he half-heartedly calls the boy back to the table. To which our pweshioush widdle snowfwake responds "BUT I'M BOOOORRRREEEEDDDD!!!!!" O.O

We chugged our coffee, tipped our server and extra $5 and got the hell out of there... Thanks folks, your little brat ruined my relaxing breakfast.... bitches.

Debserin
07-27-2011, 02:28 PM
I'm in a library right now and there was a woman with her toddler in a pram. The mother was utterly and completely absorbed in chatting on facebook, and was just ignoring her kid trying to get her attention. Really, she wouldn't even look at her, it was like she wasn't making a noise and wasn't there. I looked at the kid and her face was absolutley covered in dried, cakey chocolate. More ignoring, plus more trying to get attention, so the child gets louder, and then the mam decides what she needs to do is get in her face and tell her to 'SHUT. UP. RIGHT. NOW', followed by 'you're getting right on my nerves, I'm going to kill you if you don't shut up'.

Why do some people even bother to have kids?

Lágnætti
07-27-2011, 03:13 PM
More ignoring, plus more trying to get attention, so the child gets louder, and then the mam decides what she needs to do is get in her face and tell her to 'SHUT. UP. RIGHT. NOW', followed by 'you're getting right on my nerves, I'm going to kill you if you don't shut up'.

Nice. Given the child abuse stats, that may not even be an idle threat!


Why do some people even bother to have kids?

This is what I want to know. I want to get in their faces and ask, why exactly did you have this child if parenting him or her properly is clearly not relevant to your interests? Did you think having kids was going to be like living in a Pampers advert? Did you do it because you couldn't think of any other way to fill your time or because all your friends were doing it and you're too much of a mong to think for yourself? Do you just not understand what a condom is for or was it just too late for an abortion by the time you found out? I mean, WHY bother?

There was this woman letting her young kid make a racket at the doctor's last week. It was ridiculous. He had this toy from the selection that the office provides and was banging it up and down like a retarded ape instead of actually playing with it and driving everyone mad. What did mummy do? Kept on reading her Marie Claire and very occasionally asking (not telling) him to stop it. Of course he'd do it again and she'd keep ignoring it and then vaguely issue another pathetic, bleating plea not to do it which of course went ignored because no kid in the history of humanity has ever listened to that submissive tone of voice and on and on. Didn't take the toy off him, didn't help him play with it properly so no noise was made, didn't even try to use a tone of voice that the kid would listen to ... just kept reading her stupid women's mag and reinforcing shitty behavior. I wasn't the only one giving the cow daggers across the room. It's a doctor's waiting room full of people who mostly don't feel well, not a bloody playgroup. Learn what's appropriate behavior for a situation and enforce it, moocow.

SweetPea
07-27-2011, 06:06 PM
There was this woman letting her young kid make a racket at the doctor's last week. It was ridiculous. He had this toy from the selection that the office provides and was banging it up and down like a retarded ape instead of actually playing with it and driving everyone mad. What did mummy do? Kept on reading her Marie Claire and very occasionally asking (not telling) him to stop it. Of course he'd do it again and she'd keep ignoring it and then vaguely issue another pathetic, bleating plea not to do it which of course went ignored because no kid in the history of humanity has ever listened to that submissive tone of voice and on and on. Didn't take the toy off him, didn't help him play with it properly so no noise was made, didn't even try to use a tone of voice that the kid would listen to ... just kept reading her stupid women's mag and reinforcing shitty behavior. I wasn't the only one giving the cow daggers across the room. It's a doctor's waiting room full of people who mostly don't feel well, not a bloody playgroup. Learn what's appropriate behavior for a situation and enforce it, moocow.

I work in a Doctor's Office and I see this all the time! It drives me up the fucking walls to have to sit behind my desk and pray that the parent takes some initiative and actually parent their child! I have one patient who lets her kids stuff their faces with the candy that we put out for patients. I'm ok with kids taking 1-2 pieces (the little "fun size" candy bars) but these kids literally eat handfuls! It's disgusting!

Churumbela
07-27-2011, 09:24 PM
I like when people bring their children to the doctor's office because the parent has an appointment, and they leave the kid(s) in the waiting room while they go in with the doctor. As if the receptionists, on top of all the other things they have to do, were also somehow responsible for supervising their children.

Frangipani
07-27-2011, 10:03 PM
NOOOO who would do that??

Churumbela
07-27-2011, 10:05 PM
Jerks. But I have witnessed it more than once.

SweetPea
07-27-2011, 11:00 PM
I have actually had a patient literally hand me her 2 year old daughter and say "can you watch her while I get my adjustment?"


O_o uh, ok?

Lágnætti
07-27-2011, 11:07 PM
There was a news story recently about some woman who had appointments at a chiropractor and brought her little kids, who were then allowed to roam around the room unsupervised while she was strapped to the table. One of them knocked a button or lever or something on the table, causing it to lower ... on top of the kid, who was then crushed to death. Yeah.

Churumbela
07-27-2011, 11:10 PM
And if it happened here in the States, she'll likely sue the doctor's office for "unsafe conditions" and "emotional anguish."

There aren't enough eyerolls in the world.

SweetPea
07-27-2011, 11:18 PM
There was a news story recently about some woman who had appointments at a chiropractor and brought her little kids, who were then allowed to roam around the room unsupervised while she was strapped to the table. One of them knocked a button or lever or something on the table, causing it to lower ... on top of the kid, who was then crushed to death. Yeah.

SAY WHAAAAA?!?!?! I don't even know what kind of table that would be... also, if you're kids can't sit still... get a fucking babysitter.

Churumbela
07-27-2011, 11:23 PM
^
I don't work for a chiropractor, but we have a table that can raise up quite a bit off the floor, in order to achieve the proper alignment with the gantry on the accelerator.

Lágnætti
07-27-2011, 11:30 PM
There's a report about it here: http://www.childinjurylawyerblog.com/2011/06/18_month_old_boy_crushed_by_el.html

According to other links on the story, it was a Triton DTS TRT-600 table.

Frangipani
07-27-2011, 11:43 PM
I have actually had a patient literally hand me her 2 year old daughter and say "can you watch her while I get my adjustment?"


O_o uh, ok?

If I were to ever be that big and unprepared of a jackass I would at least offer $20.


There was a news story recently about some woman who had appointments at a chiropractor and brought her little kids, who were then allowed to roam around the room unsupervised while she was strapped to the table. One of them knocked a button or lever or something on the table, causing it to lower ... on top of the kid, who was then crushed to death. Yeah.

TRAGIC.

Churumbela
07-27-2011, 11:48 PM
It's awful. And it could have been prevented. No, she shouldn't have been strapped to the table with no one else in the room but a toddler, but why did she bring a toddler to a chiropractic adjustment? What did she think the child was going to be doing while she was being treated, just sitting there, amusing him/herself? Eighteen month olds don't do that, and a mother of an eighteen month old would certainly know that.

SweetPea
07-28-2011, 12:09 AM
^ Yeah, unless you have a stroller with you at the visit to place said toddler in, perhaps you should either opt out of that portion of the treatment, ask for someone to watch your kid if the treatment is really that important, or bring another adult with you to watch the kid! I mean, seriously.

But I was just talking with someone today about how stupid some people act and just about the time you think people can't get dumber... they go and prove you wrong.

Owen
07-29-2011, 06:07 PM
OMG that is beyond terrible. :(

Funny story. My family went out to eat recently with my sister and her 3 kids (aged 9, 7 and 4 at the time) and they are always well behaved in restaurants because we have always told them it's rude to be loud and annoying in public. Anyway, we're sitting there, enjoying our food and this kid at table closest to us starts being all loud, pissy and screamy. The parents are ignoring it, of course. The rest of the room cannot. My nieces and nephew are looking at the kid like he's from mars and suddenly my niece pipes up with "What is WRONG with that kid?". Everyone around us started chuckling and the parents coincidentally chose that moment to pay attention and try to get their kid to pipe down. How, you ask? The promised to order him CAKE and ICE CREAM! :rolleyes: We also had to take a moment to gently tell my niece that while everyone was wondering the same thing, it wasn't polite to ask it so loudly.

stillorbiting
07-29-2011, 06:30 PM
This isn't exactly about a screaming kid, but it still annoyed me. I was just in a coffee shop where they have a big water dispenser and a bunch of plastic cups. A family came in with a little toddler, who promptly started running around and putting her hands on everything she could find. Then she found the cups and started picking them up and throwing them on the ground, giggling. Instead of stopping her, the father took the entire stack of cups and put it up on a really high shelf.

Barista: Uh. ... What are you doing?
Father: Oh, we have a really little child and she's going to throw your cups everywhere. So I'm getting them out of the way for you.
Barista: ....... Okay?

Then the toddler ran to the other side of the store and tried to find more things to throw around, still giggling madly. The parents followed her, and of course didn't put the cups back down where other people could, you know, use them. It was amazing that the father thought he was being so considerate when really what he needed to do was make his kid cut it out, and if that wasn't possible, leave. He was acting like her behavior was 100% out of his control and all he could do was damage control. Wrong.

SweetPea
07-29-2011, 06:32 PM
OMG that is beyond terrible. :(

Funny story. My family went out to eat recently with my sister and her 3 kids (aged 9, 7 and 4 at the time) and they are always well behaved in restaurants because we have always told them it's rude to be loud and annoying in public. Anyway, we're sitting there, enjoying our food and this kid at table closest to us starts being all loud, pissy and screamy. The parents are ignoring it, of course. The rest of the room cannot. My nieces and nephew are looking at the kid like he's from mars and suddenly my niece pipes up with "What is WRONG with that kid?". Everyone around us started chuckling and the parents coincidentally chose that moment to pay attention and try to get their kid to pipe down. How, you ask? The promised to order him CAKE and ICE CREAM! :rolleyes: We also had to take a moment to gently tell my niece that while everyone was wondering the same thing, it wasn't polite to ask it so loudly.

Jesus H. Macy, that story is FANTASTIC! I love those kids <3

Also, when I hear parents promise goodies if their kid stops doing something it makes my blood boil!!! They're probably the kid of people that get pissed if they don't get a "good job!" when they do what they're supposed to do. :eyerolls:

Girl Friday
07-30-2011, 02:38 AM
My cousins used to throw awful fits in public. And always got promised things to make them stop. Or, would throw a fit to get something they wanted. I remember trying it just once to see if it really worked. Tiny butt spank and we left the store. Didn't try that tactic again. And my cousins forever got the "What's wrong with you?" stare from us after that.

Becka
08-03-2011, 01:07 AM
we went to this park in Ontario called Storyland while on vacation last week. Erm, terrifying place full of old cast concrete "storybook" characters and animatronic puppets that play music (that are also at least 30 years old and show it)...oh and children.. it's full of children. But they also had a little petting zoo which was my "happy place while in nightmare land".

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205828_10150742428175704_582450703_20025487_2590624_n.jpg

This donkey is my hero.


There was this horrible horrible child. SO BAD where you go, it's probably a parenting issue, but deep down you just know this kid is somehow satan spawn and mom's just trying to survive/passive aggressive/keep your head down if you just give him what he wants maybe he'll be quiet for 5 seconds. The abuse that poor woman took at the hands of that 4 year old was just jaw dropping. Epic tantrum because she got him orange pop instead of cola (um, far from me to say what other parents should give their under 5s but soda is probably not one of them), elbowing/hitting and shouting at her at the picnic table because she DARED to think 1 of the two full meals was hers because ALL THAT FOOD IS HIS. Well once that drama was over and the kid had his sugar fix, he was showing his mom his "donkey bite". Apparently Donkey had enough of the kid's BS in the woods.


I wanted to go back and give that donkey a kiss.

secretsekertary
08-03-2011, 05:26 PM
Just got back from a trip, and on the last leg of our flight, we were sitting across the aisle from a mother with her (I'm guessing just-under) two-year-old child. The takeoff time was 9:00 PM, and who knows what-all travel this poor child had done that day. I generally try to be tolerant of little ones on airplanes because I know it's difficult for them in so many ways. Well from the moment we boarded the plane, the baby was screaming like, WOW, so LOUD, SCREAMING!! And in order to placate him, the mother gave him her bottle of coca cola to drink! At 9:00 PM!! To a TWO-YEAR-OLD! My eyes about popped out of my head. You wanna guess who was awake and screaming / hitting things for the entire flight?

SweetPea
08-03-2011, 06:47 PM
Just got back from a trip, and on the last leg of our flight, we were sitting across the aisle from a mother with her (I'm guessing just-under) two-year-old child. The takeoff time was 9:00 PM, and who knows what-all travel this poor child had done that day. I generally try to be tolerant of little ones on airplanes because I know it's difficult for them in so many ways. Well from the moment we boarded the plane, the baby was screaming like, WOW, so LOUD, SCREAMING!! And in order to placate him, the mother gave him her bottle of coca cola to drink! At 9:00 PM!! To a TWO-YEAR-OLD! My eyes about popped out of my head. You wanna guess who was awake and screaming / hitting things for the entire flight?

((O_o)) Holy... I just... wow... I don't know how you managed to survive that without losing your mind! Personally, I already hate flying and a screaming child would probably make me lock myself in the bathroom... or asked to be moved AND given ear plugs! >_<

Becka
08-03-2011, 07:07 PM
Rox.. you needed the donkey.

secretsekertary
08-04-2011, 02:25 PM
I was fortunate to have my headphones, and I only heard the screams and banging toys against the window every once in awhile over my music. But my god, the poor sleepy passengers who didn't have those aids! DONKEY BITE!

FaerieDreamer
08-04-2011, 07:15 PM
We recently went to Disneyland. And I realize Disney is a screaming kid free-for-all, but there still remains the need to keep your kids under control. Say for instance, in the queue for a ride. When it's crowded. And yet, it never failed that while we were in a queue for some ride or another, there was always that one kid that was just screaming out of control the entire time. While we were at Disney California waiting in line for a ride in the Bug's land, we were sandwiched between two obnoxious little brats. The one in front was climbing over, under and all around the rails, hopping in and out of the garden area, walking along the rails to keep up with his family. Mom and Dad said nothing. Behind us was a huge family group and no less than three boys, looking between the ages of 8-12 were literally just screaming at the top of their lungs. No reason at all, just screaming as loud as they could. Again, none of the adults in the group did a thing.

I just looked at my own kids and said "thank you." My son looked at me like "Yeah, I know Mom." My daughter said "Mama, those kids are being too loud."

Lágnætti
08-04-2011, 07:22 PM
Ugh, disneyland. Squeaky clean, family-friendly hell on earth. Blergh.

cinny~lou
08-05-2011, 03:53 AM
I just looked at my own kids and said "thank you." My son looked at me like "Yeah, I know Mom." My daughter said "Mama, those kids are being too loud."

I love this. Not only because you thanked your kids, but because they knew exactly what you were talking about.

Savannah
08-06-2011, 08:07 PM
There was this horrible horrible child. SO BAD where you go, it's probably a parenting issue, but deep down you just know this kid is somehow satan spawn and mom's just trying to survive/passive aggressive/keep your head down if you just give him what he wants maybe he'll be quiet for 5 seconds. The abuse that poor woman took at the hands of that 4 year old was just jaw dropping. Epic tantrum because she got him orange pop instead of cola (um, far from me to say what other parents should give their under 5s but soda is probably not one of them), elbowing/hitting and shouting at her at the picnic table because she DARED to think 1 of the two full meals was hers because ALL THAT FOOD IS HIS. Well once that drama was over and the kid had his sugar fix, he was showing his mom his "donkey bite". Apparently Donkey had enough of the kid's BS in the woods.


I wanted to go back and give that donkey a kiss.

I was really hoping this story would end with a hoof-shaped crater in the kid's forehead, but a bite is not bad. God, I hate bratty crotch-vomit.

Girl Friday
08-08-2011, 09:11 PM
I went to the post office to pick up a package. Standing at the counter is a dad with his screaming kid taping boxes. She was sitting on the floor asking when they were going to leave and just throwing a fit. Comes my turn, I sign and attempt to leave. Kid is still in the middle of the walkway, right behind me, boxes strewn across the floor. Mr Friday and I both had to turn sideways to get past with out stepping on her. Dad didn't say a thing or pull her aside. Just let us try to walk around her without stepping on her. Once we were in the lobby we both had the talk of "Mom would have kicked my butt for acting like that".

Girl Friday
08-20-2011, 07:00 AM
At the fabric store I got pummeled by a rowdy girl running through the aisles while her mom just screamed across the store at her. While waiting in line at the cutting table, who is in front of me? Oh yes. Little girl was crawling across the table, while the lady was trying to cut fabric - and those scissors are pretty sharp. Mom just threatened that bratzilla wouldn't get a piece of gum if she didn't stop. She sat back in the cart for a whole 3 minutes before trying to "SURPRISE!!!" me while bouncing out of the cart. I made no direct eye contact. I would have ripped her mom a new one if I had.

fox in socks
08-20-2011, 03:00 PM
Gum is hardly a motivator! Perhaps a proper caning would have been a better motivator!

Lágnætti
08-20-2011, 03:22 PM
Perhaps physically picking your rugrat off the table would have been more effective than a bit of pathetic bargaining. Oh now wait, I've never shat a kid out of my loins, I can't possibly tell anyone how to deal with their kid in a shop even when it's clear whatever they're actually doing is completely ineffective.

Pupate
08-20-2011, 04:56 PM
I was at Whole Foods the other week and was looking through the bakery isle. There was a father with two of his kids. His kids were around five or six, maybe older. I'm not too good a judge of age. They were running up and down the isle screaming about how they wanted this bagel and that bagel. One kid shoved his hands in the trash and then proceeded to touch all the bakery paper you're supposed to use to keep your hands from touching the pastries. Sometimes he would crumple the papers up or or drop them on the floor and then just proceed to stuff them back into the box. I was stunned and didn't know what to do. I didn't feel comfortable telling someone how to parent their children, but clearly that's unacceptable. The other boy opened the glass doors and literally started sticking his hands into every single bin, sometimes ripping off pieces of bagels and eating them. He tried a muffin that he didn't like, spit it out into his hand, and put it back into the bin. His father even stuck his bare hand in to give him something to try. At that point, I went to go look for an employee, but by the time I found someone, they had left. Is it really that hard to tell your children not to shove their dirty hands into food that other people will be eating? The store had to throw out almost all of otherwise perfectly fine food because someone was too lazy to tell their kids to stop. Should I have said something to the man?

Churumbela
08-20-2011, 06:21 PM
That's fucking disgusting, and yes, if I had been in that situation, I would have said a few somethings to that father AND his children.

Lágnætti
08-20-2011, 06:47 PM
Yeah, that is beyond disgusting. Either the father is just as big a biohazard as the kids or more likely, he is one of those men with no balls who will not attempt to discipline his kids no matter what havoc they create.

You would have been well within your rights to say something - the children's behaviour was everyone's business given they were contaminating food products, not only creating a health risk for other customers, but affecting the store's bottom line by making them unfit for sale by all legal standards and creating extra work for the staff who would have to dispose of the dribble-soaked remains of once perfectly good food. Anyone has the right to comment on someone's sacred 'parenting technique' or lack thereof, when it creates such a disgusting situation for other people. Same with noise IMO. Want to live like a pig at home, fine, to a point (that point being where someone comes and takes your kids away for it). Do it in public, affecting other people with somewhat higher standrads of hygiene and etiquette and you're fair game for criticism as far as I'm concerned. Honestly parents who allow that to go on need to be asked to pay for the food they waste and asked not to return to the store. Nobody needs customers like that.

Frangipani
08-20-2011, 07:59 PM
Do it in public, affecting other people with somewhat higher basic standrads of hygiene and etiquette and you're fair game for criticism as far as I'm concerned..

fixd

Lágnætti
08-20-2011, 08:14 PM
Fair edit.

sara
08-26-2011, 05:48 AM
This might not qualify as a total public space, but what I'm curious to hear people's thoughts on bringing kids to the workplace. someone in my office brings a kid (maybe 3-4 years old) and while it doesn't cause a lot of issues, when it shows up on my floor, it's like a hurricane. A shrieking, paper-throwing hurricane. We're on some very tight deadlines and while I can just ignore it, the kid does disrupt other people. I'm kind of surprised that no one's said anything about it yet.

beanstew
08-26-2011, 09:52 AM
Midnight at a ferry terminal last week so as you would imagine lots of people wanting to sleep, read, surf or what have you as most had hours to wait for the next sailing or the morning trains to start. Young lad, 6 - 8 I guess, was running around kicking peoples' luggage over and generally pissing everyone off. What was the father's reaction? Telling him to stop? Taking him outside? Restraining him in some way? No! He says "Are you raising hell son? Good lad! Keep it up!" :mad:

SweetPea
08-26-2011, 08:12 PM
Oy vey! I would be PISSED if I were you! I know how much kids can totally derail a completely normal work day for me, so I can't imagine having to deal with someone's little brat if you're on a deadline.

If it were me? I'd say something to the boss or supervisor, especially if it is disrupting your ability to meet the necessary deadlines.

SweetPea
08-26-2011, 08:13 PM
Midnight at a ferry terminal last week so as you would imagine lots of people wanting to sleep, read, surf or what have you as most had hours to wait for the next sailing or the morning trains to start. Young lad, 6 - 8 I guess, was running around kicking peoples' luggage over and generally pissing everyone off. What was the father's reaction? Telling him to stop? Taking him outside? Restraining him in some way? No! He says "Are you raising hell son? Good lad! Keep it up!" :mad:

Father and son overboard! ... jk... seriously though. WTF?

Girl Friday
08-28-2011, 04:55 AM
I work at a restaurant just a couple doors down from Mr. Friday's place. I ran some food down to see a Radio Disney promo in front of the building. DJ encouraging screaming tweens to scream louder as he played Justin Bieber. I went inside to find some screaming 2 year old wandering the store alone, picking up and throwing down all the cell phone cases and anything else in arm's reach.

SweetPea
09-08-2011, 12:32 AM
WHY THE FUCK do people insist on bringing their child/grand-child into my office (Doctor's office) and then let them do whatever they want? They let the child run around, talk loudly, and eat handful of candies! I SHOULD NOT have to tell a child repeatedly to please be quiet when their parent/grand-parent is right there!!!

abaddog
09-20-2011, 09:39 PM
I know Starbucks is teh Satanz lolz to a lot of people, but don't judge me- it's extremely convenient to my office and I go there if I haven't packed a lunch. Except that over the past years it seems to have become a Mommy and Baybee Centre- not just this Starb, every Starb- 8 women and their infants taking up seating for maybe 18 people.

This morning I wasn't feeling great and decided to get a hot drink. I'm waiting for my drink when this squalling scream-balloon of a baby starts bawling its fking head off, rhythmically- w-AAAAAAAAAA, w-AAAAAAAAA etc like a nightmarish alarm clock. Mommy being with other Mommies did exactly what such a Mommy would- shhh! Not removing the child, not even taking it in her arms- shhh. I felt like emptying a grande hot water over her. I do not pay 14 times the cost of its component ingredients to sit at Starb listening to the soundtrack from a torture chamber.

Nora
09-21-2011, 01:53 AM
^ Ugh. I used to work at a Starbucks and the (tiny, tiny) shop would become a stroller parking lot by 9:30 every morning. My favorite moment occurred one morning when we looked up from the bar and saw that a woman was changing her child on one of the tables, dirty diaper in hand, mere feet from the milk bar. She was very indignant when a manager asked her to move to the bathroom. I think it is the only instance I have witnessed of someone literally acting out the expression "mah shit dont stink." :rolleyes:

Girl Friday
09-21-2011, 06:16 AM
^ Um, WHOT!? Jeebus. I can only imagine if the health inspector had decided to show up right then...

entropy
09-22-2011, 02:15 AM
Recently rediscovered Bill Cosby's routine, "Himself". This skit reminded me of this thread!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs0cYJUqJys

Stone
09-22-2011, 04:14 AM
This one is not so much about screaming babies but it is, like many, many of the posts here, about their complete asshole of their parent.
I just recently took a very brief vacation to a nearby beach and while I was at the pool, I noticed these enormous moos on the other side, drinking and smoking in a no-bar pool. I said, fine, although there were many kids around and it kind of bothers me when adults do that.
Later on, I notice they have removed their irresponsible ass from the pool area and left all [glass] beer bottles and fag butts lying around the border of the pool, where there were, naturally, many kids playing around.
I get out of the pool and ask them to clean up their mess before some kid gets hurt and they snapped at me, saying it was none of my business.
I went to the manager and he had someone clean it up, unfortunately. I wish he had asked them to do it.

toriMODE
09-22-2011, 06:06 PM
Stupid enormous inconsiderate moos!

Kala
01-03-2012, 08:23 PM
Was in Panera Bread with the family this morning. Grandparents with 2 kids sit at the table next to us. The youngest (about 3) keeps screaming at his grandmother while she's very nicely trying to tell him not to eat his mac & cheese until it cools off. After a couple of minutes, I turned to them and said "Why don't you just let him eat it, and then maybe he'll learn not to burn his tongue the next time." Grandma says "yes." A few minutes later the kid is still shouting his face off while mashing the food to bits (still without eating it.) I turned around again and said "shhhhhhh!" and grandma says "shhhhhhh!, you heard what the lady says, shhhhhhh!"

Why not just tell the kid to tone the volume down a notch to begin with considering there were other patrons in the restaurant?

Lágnætti
01-03-2012, 09:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxQhLZ5bMyQ

Kala
01-03-2012, 09:20 PM
;l

Honestly, I don't mind playing the *man*.

Girl Friday
01-04-2012, 04:34 AM
I just remembered today why I hate working retail. The screaming kids. Mom pushes the cart and continues to shop like nothing is going on. And the baby sitting. Seriously, I'm thisclose to kicking the next kid who jumps out of a clothing rack at me covered in hangers and shirts.

lioness
01-04-2012, 05:15 PM
^ Grocery stores and retail shops are great cures for the occasional "maybe it would be nice to have a kid" moments.

Robin Sparkles
01-04-2012, 08:23 PM
And restaurants, too! All it takes it one misbehaved kid to ruin your entire meal.

SweetPea
01-04-2012, 08:38 PM
Right?! We were at Target the other day for just a quick "grab the cough medicine and get the fuck out"... but it took us 15 minutes longer because of all the damn kids running around like it was a fucking fun house!

I will be so glad when all the kids go back to school... argh!

beanstew
01-04-2012, 08:41 PM
Kids whizzing around on microscooters or on those trainers with built in wheels in supermarkets. Gah!

SweetPea
01-04-2012, 09:59 PM
I have literally been run over by little kids on those damn sit-n-push things! I almost was pushed over by some woman who was running to catch her crotchspawn as he zoomed away on a little bike, too! Jeezey-creezy it's so redonk!

Girl Friday
01-05-2012, 05:20 AM
Kids whizzing around on microscooters or on those trainers with built in wheels in supermarkets. Gah!

I can't recall if I mentioned this in here or not but a friend of mine totally broke her wrist while waiting tables one night. Kid plowed through on Heeliess, since the parents could be fucked to watch the brat during the meal.

SweetPea
01-05-2012, 09:17 PM
I can't recall if I mentioned this in here or not but a friend of mine totally broke her wrist while waiting tables one night. Kid plowed through on Heeliess, since the parents could be fucked to watch the brat during the meal.

Those heelies things are a creation of satan... I am always overcome with the urge to clothesline those little bastards.

Girl Friday
01-06-2012, 05:14 AM
Those heelies things are a creation of satan... I am always overcome with the urge to clothesline those little bastards.

;l ;l
Omg, I have an image of tying up jeggings across the aisle to take them down...

Kala
01-06-2012, 05:33 AM
Formal cocktail party in a public place: I was at one last month where there were over 100 people. Lady comes in dressed to the nines pushing a stroller as if she's being presented to the royal court. There were a couple of scheduled speakers whose speeches were then punctuated by shouts and screeches from the toddler. I left after half an hour. (fancy cocktail parties aren't my *thing* anyway, but still GET A BABYSITTER)

FaerieDreamer
03-01-2012, 07:33 PM
Went to Chipotle for lunch today. There was these two mothers there with four kids, two of whom looked old enough to be in school on a Thursday mid morning. Anyway, the two moms were sitting at one table with a toddler, the two older kids were sitting at the bar, and a third kid who looked around 4 was sitting off on his own at yet another table. Said kid who was sitting by himself was screaming at the top of his lungs in that horrible child trembling screech "I WANT TO SIT HEEEEEEEERRRRREEEEE! MOOOOOOOOMMMM I WANT TO SIT HEEEEEEEEERRREEE!!!" Mom went up to him once and said "fine, then you can sit here by yourself." Kid continued screeching. Meanwhile, the rest of us in the restaurant were sitting there glaring at both mom and kid. She finally picked him up, dragged him outside then came back in with him 30 seconds later. He stopped screeching, but then started standing up on the bench and banging on the corrugated metal panels Chipotle uses on their benches.


Now, I'm the first person to admit that kids can be obnoxious turds sometimes, my own included. BUT if your kid is screeching bloody murder, then you pick up your crap and remove yourself from the restaurant. The kid will never learn otherwise. And why the hell were they allowing the kids to sit separately from the rest of the group in the first place? This restaurant always gets pretty crowded at lunchtimes, yet there they were taking up three separate tables??

Churumbela
03-01-2012, 10:45 PM
Because they are more important than everyone else and their children are super special, that's why.

Hypatia
03-02-2012, 07:25 AM
Went to Chipotle for lunch today. There was these two mothers there with four kids, two of whom looked old enough to be in school on a Thursday mid morning. Anyway, the two moms were sitting at one table with a toddler, the two older kids were sitting at the bar, and a third kid who looked around 4 was sitting off on his own at yet another table. Said kid who was sitting by himself was screaming at the top of his lungs in that horrible child trembling screech "I WANT TO SIT HEEEEEEEERRRRREEEEE! MOOOOOOOOMMMM I WANT TO SIT HEEEEEEEEERRREEE!!!" Mom went up to him once and said "fine, then you can sit here by yourself." Kid continued screeching. Meanwhile, the rest of us in the restaurant were sitting there glaring at both mom and kid. She finally picked him up, dragged him outside then came back in with him 30 seconds later. He stopped screeching, but then started standing up on the bench and banging on the corrugated metal panels Chipotle uses on their benches.


Now, I'm the first person to admit that kids can be obnoxious turds sometimes, my own included. BUT if your kid is screeching bloody murder, then you pick up your crap and remove yourself from the restaurant. The kid will never learn otherwise. And why the hell were they allowing the kids to sit separately from the rest of the group in the first place? This restaurant always gets pretty crowded at lunchtimes, yet there they were taking up three separate tables??

Why didn't the restaurant do something? I would have no problem asking that woman for her kid to act a little more civilized.

I don't know if I am getting older and crankier or if people are just really that out of hand.

Kala
11-25-2012, 09:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNLNDTCWC0Q

At least the flight attendant calmed the kid down with pretzels and the promise of a coloring book while the parents did fuck all.

I love GloZell's face at the 30 second mark. ;l

fox in socks
11-25-2012, 09:30 PM
that is awful. just awful. i thought it was a proper infant, but not so much. just a toddler from hades. i like how dismissive mom is to the FA "do you think she'll be okay". mom: "yeahhhhh (like duh lady, my kid is entitled to her screams).

bleh. BLEH!

Lágnætti
11-25-2012, 10:46 PM
And that's why planes should come equipped with ejector seats. Preferably rows of them, in which the Family Most Likely To Annoy Everyone Within Earshot can be seated and handily disposed of when they've used up everyone's patience quota for the duration of the flight.

It's either that or having them boxed up and flown as cargo. Take your pick, but in my reich, it's happening.

Frangipani
11-26-2012, 04:53 PM
Child free planes have been proposed. I heard "not rape-rape" Whoopi talking about it on The View!

Lágnætti
11-26-2012, 07:57 PM
I don't think there would be any need for child-free planes if a minority of parents would actually bother parenting full-time as opposed to say, maybe a whole couple of minutes out of every 24 hours. It's not the odd scream or inenvitable tantrum people object to - it's having to endure interminable shitty behaviour and ear-splitting noise because mummy or daddy can't be bothered to either teach respectable public behavior or enforce it because they have some stupid notion about being kiddy's best friend or whatever.

Frangipani
11-26-2012, 08:52 PM
I don't think there would be any need for child-free planes if a minority of parents would actually bother parenting full-time as opposed to say, maybe a whole couple of minutes out of every 24 hours. It's not the odd scream or inenvitable tantrum people object to - it's having to endure interminable shitty behaviour and ear-splitting noise because mummy or daddy can't be bothered to either teach respectable public behavior or enforce it because they have some stupid notion about being kiddy's best friend or whatever.

Agreed! but until theyre eliminated from the gene pool we'll never be safe. BUT- There's a market there, why not capitalize? :)

Churumbela
11-26-2012, 09:37 PM
I'd fly childfree planes -- crying infants are not a behavior problem, but they do drive me batty. I've been on more than a couple flights with an infant who cried for the better part of the flight, off and on. I just can't tune it out -- probably because I've never dealt with it in my own life, I'm just not used to it.

stillorbiting
11-27-2012, 03:53 AM
I would happily pay a little more for a childfree flight.

Pupate
11-27-2012, 03:31 PM
Agreed!

I work in retail, and on Black Friday, I witnessed some horrible parenting.

I was weaving through the cardboard set ups that the store puts up near the cash registers to lure people into buying discounted DVDs while on my break to see if I could find anything I'd like. All of a sudden, I heard a little girl crying, and as I looked over, I saw this tiny Asian girl running up through the middle of two aisles shrieking and crying. It appeared as though she was completely alone and without a parent. The facial expressions of most guests indicated that they felt the same way, and a few came up to me and asked me to do something. As I was about to call my manager, the little girl face-planted into the floor and lay there, spread eagle, crying. I was horrified. Then a guest pointed out that her father was standing at the cash register just staring at her and deliberately and fervently preventing anyone from helping his daughter, shaking his head the whole time. He just let her lie there, in the middle of the store, on her face. By the time I got the manager, he had finally helped his daughter. Some people really shouldn't have children.

Ryan
11-28-2012, 04:15 AM
This isn't so much about screaming children, but rude, mouthy ones with asshole parents.

I had to get a truck license plate renewed for work yesterday so I ended up in line at my favorite place -- the tax collector's office. There was a woman in front of me with a daughter who I'd guess was maybe 4. She whined about standing in line so the mom picked her up and held her. The little girl then began to point at people in the crowd and loudly make proclamations about them. "HE'S UGLY! SHE'S FAT! LOOK HOW FAT SHE IS!" Initially her mom tried to quiet her down but the kid was having none of it. She kept loudly pointing and saying things about people.

Then the girl pointed at me and said, "MOMMY, WHAT'S HIS NAME?" The mom told her she didn't know, so I just politely smiled at them and minded my own business. Then the girl pointed at me again and said, "HE STINKS! HE STINKS, MOM! HE SMELLS LIKE POOP! HE SMELLS LIKE POOP, MOM!" I was trying to ignore her because she was being a typical bratty 4 year old, when the mother had the nerve to look right at me and say, "Well, kids do speak the truth, you know." My mouth almost hit the floor. Excuse me, you pathetic cunt, but I showered before I showed up here and I have on clean clothes and deodorant. I do not smell bad. Fuck you and your ill-behaved crotch droppling.

SweetPea
11-28-2012, 04:37 AM
You should have said

"She who smelt it, dealt it."

Ryan
11-28-2012, 04:41 AM
I wanted to stab her with a pen, but instead I angrily texted my boyfriend and told him about it instead. ;l

Pupate
11-28-2012, 04:51 AM
Ryan, I tried to give you a dot for the phrase "crotch droppling," but it wouldn't let me.

Ryan
11-28-2012, 05:18 AM
I think I stole that from Helen/julius from way back when. I can't take credit for that. ;)

stillorbiting
11-28-2012, 06:54 AM
Then the girl pointed at me and said, "MOMMY, WHAT'S HIS NAME?" The mom told her she didn't know, so I just politely smiled at them and minded my own business. Then the girl pointed at me again and said, "HE STINKS! HE STINKS, MOM! HE SMELLS LIKE POOP! HE SMELLS LIKE POOP, MOM!" I was trying to ignore her because she was being a typical bratty 4 year old, when the mother had the nerve to look right at me and say, "Well, kids do speak the truth, you know." My mouth almost hit the floor. Excuse me, you pathetic cunt, but I showered before I showed up here and I have on clean clothes and deodorant. I do not smell bad. Fuck you and your ill-behaved crotch droppling.

What the fuck?! My mouth almost hit the floor just reading that.

Lágnætti
11-28-2012, 08:01 AM
Now, that's a situation where the phrase, 'Your Mummy smells like an unwashed cunt' would have come in handy. Let 'em have it with both barrels in scenarios like that. They absolutely deserve it after that performance.

Oh, and that kid needed a slap. Like parent, like child, obviously.

toriMODE
11-28-2012, 06:13 PM
;l

The Markness
11-29-2012, 01:40 PM
This isn't so much about screaming children, but rude, mouthy ones with asshole parents.

I had to get a truck license plate renewed for work yesterday so I ended up in line at my favorite place -- the tax collector's office. There was a woman in front of me with a daughter who I'd guess was maybe 4. She whined about standing in line so the mom picked her up and held her. The little girl then began to point at people in the crowd and loudly make proclamations about them. "HE'S UGLY! SHE'S FAT! LOOK HOW FAT SHE IS!" Initially her mom tried to quiet her down but the kid was having none of it. She kept loudly pointing and saying things about people.

Then the girl pointed at me and said, "MOMMY, WHAT'S HIS NAME?" The mom told her she didn't know, so I just politely smiled at them and minded my own business. Then the girl pointed at me again and said, "HE STINKS! HE STINKS, MOM! HE SMELLS LIKE POOP! HE SMELLS LIKE POOP, MOM!" I was trying to ignore her because she was being a typical bratty 4 year old, when the mother had the nerve to look right at me and say, "Well, kids do speak the truth, you know." My mouth almost hit the floor. Excuse me, you pathetic cunt, but I showered before I showed up here and I have on clean clothes and deodorant. I do not smell bad. Fuck you and your ill-behaved crotch droppling.

She could sense that you're a fudgepacker, Ryan! ;)

fox in socks
02-10-2013, 05:59 PM
So, I've been entertained by the (mostly mommy) haters of this situation in Washington:

this family (easy on the eyes pic btw)

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr03/2013/2/8/11/enhanced-buzz-32417-1360340452-5.jpg

apparently received a restaurant discount
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr03/2013/2/8/10/enhanced-buzz-32468-1360338786-0.jpg
as their kids were not running around like banshees in this restaurant.


The King family of Poulsbo, Washington, was surprised when they received their bill at the Sogno di Vino restaurant and noticed that they had been given a "well-behaved kids" discount. The servers had been so impressed with the three young King children throughout the meal that they wanted to congratulate and thank them somehow.
Restaurant owner Angela Scott told the New York Daily News that they rarely see kids display such good behavior. "You would never even know that children were in the dining room," Scott said. "We just wanted to say, 'Awesome! You guys were so good!'" In addition to the discount, the restaurant treated the King kids to free ice cream.
Laura King, 28, was so pleased that she took a picture of the bill and posted it on her Facebook account. Without her knowledge, one of her friends uploaded the image to Reddit, where it quickly went viral.
"This was definitely a random act of kindness," King told the Daily News. "We didn't go to the restaurant expecting a reward. We expect our kids to act this way whenever we are out and about. This was just a small surprise."


haters gonna hate though:


The King family children were the epitome of good behavior because they weren't acting so much like kids. They were acting more like adults. Sure, kids can absolutely behave, and say please and thank you — I have an almost-3-year-old who says this every day. And they can do that in lots of settings. At lots of times.

But not always. Not always on command. And definitely not as if there is merely one simple formula for utter restaurant compliance. Kids aren't always so polite, you see, and the notion that you can always control them if you're a "good parent" and that if you can't, you're a "bad" parent or you somehow haven't taught your children good manners, is ludicrous.


Many of the kids "end up shouting or running around the eatery unchecked" because this is pretty typical kid behavior. Not "kids today" behavior. Regular old kid behavior. Not bad kid behavior. KID behavior. Dig?


when we all rally and hold up one example of positive behavior and deem it correct, or use it as some kind of "LOOK HERE all parents, this is how you do it, and please try to live up" we discount the experiences of other parents with other struggles who have no such easy options.

So sure, let's applaud the King family and give them a discount. But let's not be so simple-minded about what parenting involves, about what producing a well-behaved child involves, and about who is at the table next to us, and let's not make the mistake of arguing that the family with the well-behaved children is somehow intrinsically better than the one with the kid who won't stop crying.

And maybe, we could recognize that a round of applause for a moment of good behavior is just that — a moment. Even the best, most engaged parents who are the most attentive and do everything "right" — whatever, for the love of God, that means — will still absolutely produce children who throw tantrums. In public. At restaurants. It's part of life.

its that last bit that gets my goat. that, once again, the world needs to recognize that kids can and will be insane. in public places. so suck it up disturbed diners. it's how they do. except it's really not. ive seen my fair share (and obviously this thread has as well) of parents who just sit there, ignoring their kids throwing napkins on the floor, screaming, running into patrons with hot coffee in their hands....like it's the world's problem, not the parents'. Running around "unchecked" is pretty much on the parents, right? Like it's their job to keep them in check last I knew.....I judge the parents of rowdy kids who ignore them and expect the rest of us to put up with that shit as well. I have sympathy for the parents that try to sort out the crazy and cut short the outing if appropriate. But I see more of the former than the latter.....

http://jezebel.com/5982888/sorry-internet-but-there-is-no-simple-formula-for-producing-perfectly-well+behaved-kids-in-every-situation

Lágnætti
02-10-2013, 06:54 PM
Oh, any time this subject comes up, someone starts bleating defensively about 'kids being kids' which is as much a cop-out as 'boys being boys' which is another cliche used to shore up endless awful behavior with no expectation of improvement or change. If you can't distinguish between children acting like children and your own inability to teach and consistently enforce civilized behavior appropriate for their environment ...

Churumbela
02-10-2013, 09:12 PM
So, I've been entertained by the (mostly mommy) haters of this situation in Washington:

this family (easy on the eyes pic btw)

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr03/2013/2/8/11/enhanced-buzz-32417-1360340452-5.jpg

apparently received a restaurant discount
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr03/2013/2/8/10/enhanced-buzz-32468-1360338786-0.jpg
as their kids were not running around like banshees in this restaurant.

haters gonna hate though:

its that last bit that gets my goat. that, once again, the world needs to recognize that kids can and will be insane. in public places. so suck it up disturbed diners. it's how they do. except it's really not. ive seen my fair share (and obviously this thread has as well) of parents who just sit there, ignoring their kids throwing napkins on the floor, screaming, running into patrons with hot coffee in their hands....like it's the world's problem, not the parents'. Running around "unchecked" is pretty much on the parents, right? Like it's their job to keep them in check last I knew.....I judge the parents of rowdy kids who ignore them and expect the rest of us to put up with that shit as well. I have sympathy for the parents that try to sort out the crazy and cut short the outing if appropriate. But I see more of the former than the latter.....

http://jezebel.com/5982888/sorry-internet-but-there-is-no-simple-formula-for-producing-perfectly-well+behaved-kids-in-every-situation

Yes, foxy. It's our problem, not theirs. We should just consider ourselves lucky that we're permitted to be in the presence of their perfect little angels.

Last night at the grocery store some woman brought her pre-teen daughter with her, who apparently required her own cart (with nothing in it), wandering aimlessly around the store, leaving the cart in the middle of aisles, or parked directly next to her mother's while they talked about some inane something or other. I ended up having to stand and wait in four different aisles for her to stop blocking the way, and her mother never said a word to her, despite my repeatedly making eye contact with her. Of course, if I had dared to say something, I'm sure I'd have gotten an earful.

FaerieDreamer
02-10-2013, 09:17 PM
I seriously hate this entitled parent my kid can do whatever the fuck he wants shit. It makes ALL parents look bad. I have refused to take my kids out to dinner because of their behavior. I take them out to lunch occasionally because lunch is slightly more casual, but even then if they act like fools, we leave and they lose the privilege of eating out. Same with grocery stores. I will not allow them to behave like banshees in public and let them get away with it.

Bravo for the restaurant and bravo to those parents! Because they are obviously doing something right.

SweetPea
02-11-2013, 02:13 AM
I saw a kid today who was playing a game on his mother's phone... while she FED HIM. That kid was at least 6-7 years. o_o

SparkleMotion
02-11-2013, 05:06 PM
I hate those "kids just being kids" comments. Of course there will be tantrums and bad behavior. But that's not an excuse for subjecting other people to it in a public place. My son was grounded from going out to restaurants for an extended period of time because he acted like a spider monkey on crack during one outing.

Oh, and I saw a similar thing last week, SweetPea. We were at a McDonald's where they have a section with video games. One child (probably 5-ish) sat playing a game while his mother went back and forth getting him one chicken mcnugget at a time and feeding it to him. The fact that no food is allowed in that section was the least annoying thing about that situation.

iamstilljamiepoo
02-11-2013, 09:03 PM
If I threw a tantrum pretty much anywhere, we left. Immediately. My mother would not stand for acting a fool in a restaurant.

And that's the difference. Yes, kids can be total dillholes in public. It does happen sometimes. That said, fucking do something about it, parents.
I went to lunch with a friend a month ago. Love her. Best friend. Her 3-year-old was with us. He was cool coloring for awhile, then he used mommy's cell phone. Then he started climbing everywhere. Then when the food came, he stole his mom's ranch AND DRANK IT! Ok, not horrible. But she did NOTHING! Finally, because we've been friends so long, I said, "Seriously?" She just shrugged. The potential for worse was greater.

toriwannabe
02-12-2013, 10:01 AM
It's so easy to fall into the trap of "he's annoying me now, but unless I give in to him he's going to be 10 times worse". Unfortunately, the kids learn this and play us like a violin! Keeping this in mind, we desperately want to Jacob to learn respect and discipline at this age (3 and a half), so he doesn't become a horrible teenager!

Interestingly, teenagers abusing their parents is apparently an increasing trend, probably partly because of the whole 'kids will be kids' mentality (article is 5 years old, but heard something on TV this morning on the topic): teen-parent-abuse-alarm (http://www.smh.com.au/news/parenting/teen-parent-abuse-alarm/2008/08/14/1218307119882.html)

Lágnætti
02-17-2013, 12:24 AM
Not screaming kids, but screaming parents - I feel this is related:

Just came across this story of a well-known Australian TV host being abused by some horrific breedertrash on a bus because he dared (incredibly gently) try to get her nasty spawn to stop pinching his small daughter and then himself. The story focuses on the racist tirade (and accusation of molstation for good measure) she subjected him to, but I recognize the type right there - the type of trash that throws the most almighty fit because asking them to exercise a tiny modicum of restraint on their uncivilized beastchildren is an affront to their egos and barbaric mores. Clearly she's a pathetic racist, but I doubt the reaction to anyone else suggesting she control her brat would have been an awful lot nicer.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21468892

eremy Fernandez could easily be the face of the new Australia, a poster-boy of immigrant success.

Born in Malaysia, of southern Indian heritage, he came here with his family 22 years ago, aged 13, and is now an up-and-coming presenter on the ABC news channel, News 24. He is one of the national broadcaster's rising stars.

This past week, however, in a classic case of a newsman himself making headlines, he has been the focus of a national conversation about Australian racism, having been the victim of the kind of ugly racist incident that usually goes unreported.

Mr Fernandez was riding on a bus through inner Sydney, when a small girl started pinching and flicking his two-year-old daughter.

To offer protection from what he thought was some pretty harmless child's play, he put his arm around his daughter, but still the girl persisted and then started flicking him. "That was my arm," he told the child, at which point her mother let racist rip.

"She began hurling abuse and accused me of reaching behind our seats and touching her daughter," he recalled afterwards. "Of course, I had not done anything of the sort."

Then came the racist onslaught, which he described as "the longest 15 minutes of my life". His two-year-old daughter heard every single word of the rant, which culminated in foul-mouthed abuse.

Alighting from the bus, he described to the driver what had happened. "It's your fault, mate," responded the driver. "You could have moved."

In the week that Americans celebrated the 100th anniversary of the birth of one of the great heroines of the struggle for black equality, Mr Fernandez described it as his very own "Rosa Parks moment". After dropping off his daughter at daycare, he cried.

Pity he couldn't have filmed the cunt and shamed her ugly bitch face in front of an entire nation.

Mori
02-17-2013, 02:35 PM
My mom had a similar situation when she worked as a cashier in a grocery store. Some brat was messing with the credit card swiper and standing up in the cart to reach over to the cash register. My mom politely said to stop playing with it. The mom and kid left and moments later my mom was called up to the service desk. The woman had complained that my mom was being very rude to her and her kid. Thankfully she didn't get written up but it still aggravated my mom. What was she supposed to do, let that kid break the machine?

Lágnætti
02-17-2013, 03:03 PM
Oh yeah, we get that from Trog Nation where I work too. Some people, the moment they don't get what they want or are asked to step down in some way, it's YOU ARE BEING RUDE or YOU ARE VERY UNHELPFUL. Water of a duck's back at this stage, though. Nothing but contempt and a certain amount of spite for people like that. The whole I AM A CUSTOMER KISS ME ARSE thing is revolting. I truly despise people who think they're entitled to do what they want because they're an ALMGHTY CUSTOMER. What's funnier is where I work, they're actually not except in Corp. Speak or PC Speak, when you get down to it. It really does show people up for the charmless, classless peasants they are at heart though.

Stone
02-17-2013, 05:31 PM
From the story Helen posted- "it's your fault, mate, you could've moved"??? Seriously? So just because that woman isn't trained to be in public it's suddenly the victim's fault?

Lágnætti
02-17-2013, 06:44 PM
Typical buck-passing though, isn't it?

entropy
02-18-2013, 07:14 PM
Because A good way to get a crying child to be quiet is to slap them across the face! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/17/joe-rickey-hundley-slapped-child-delta-flight_n_2703021.html)



A recent Delta Air Lines flight turned sour when a 60-year-old passenger allegedly struck a crying toddler, the Smoking Gun first reported.

Joe Rickey Hundley, accused of slapping another passenger's 2-year-old boy, is facing federal assault charges, CNN and 11alive.com reported.

The high-level manufacturing executive -- president of Idaho-based Unitech Composites and Structures -- was also suspended from his job, pending the outcome of an investigation.

Hundley "told her to shut that (N-word) baby up," FBI special agent Daron Cheney said in a sworn statement obtained by the Associated Press. "Ms. Bennett received assistance from several people on the plane."

SweetPea
02-18-2013, 07:43 PM
I saw that yesterday and it made me feel sick. I mean, I'm not a fan of screaming/crying children but that is just monumentally wrong! Racism and assault on a baby. Faaaaaantastic. *sigh*

entropy
02-18-2013, 08:32 PM
I'm not a fan of screaming kids either. I'm not sure how anyone could be. But holy hell, smacking a stranger's kid?! Racist asshole.