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    entertaining in its outrage Volta's Avatar
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    Tonight, I actually found myself nodding my head in agreement with Marianne Williamson especially when she talked about the Flint water crisis in a bigger picture.

    But hands down Warren and Bernie did the best. Beto and Pete didn’t move up or down and I just felt like Klobuchar really got the least amount of time. I don’t think it will hurt her for getting on the next debate in Houston but her long term success or even making a primary is getting slimmer.

    If Delaney Bullock and Ryan can raise enough money and poll strong enough for the next threshold that would be a shocking result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volta View Post
    Tonight, I actually found myself nodding my head in agreement with Marianne Williamson especially when she talked about the Flint water crisis in a bigger picture.

    But hands down Warren and Bernie did the best. Beto and Pete didn’t move up or down and I just felt like Klobuchar really got the least amount of time. I don’t think it will hurt her for getting on the next debate in Houston but her long term success or even making a primary is getting slimmer.

    If Delaney Bullock and Ryan can raise enough money and poll strong enough for the next threshold that would be a shocking result.
    Marianne had some good points that she was the only person to bring up. At the same time, she also was the only person to sound like one of Tori's most cringy interviews. Plus her resume is a joke. Her heart is in the right place on some things, but she's an anti-vax weirdo completely unqualified and I need her to go away before she embarrasses us as a party... which is still less shameful than Trump for the GOP, but let's be better. And according to the tapes made public yesterday, less shameful for the GOP than Reagan, who called African UN members monkeys who couldn't wear shoes.

    Klobuchar was all over the place. She had some really good stuff to say and then she said something so dumb and out of touch I almost felt bad for her... until I thought of her terrorized staff. I forget what it was she said and now I can't find it.

    Beto needs to go run for the Senate. There's still time. Delaney is getting some positive reviews, but I think he was awful. He was good at getting noticed, but cannibalizing our own to further your own tiny chance to win is selfish and ultimately destructive. That was one of Klobuchar's really good answer, when she refused to single anyone out as just running for attention. And it was one of Warren's best moments after his self-grandiosing rant, "I don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for the president of the United States to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for."



    Yang, watching at home, was like "Oh they haven't talked about race yet. I wonder why." Yes, they were all white but it's not like they self-segregated. It was pure random chance and it did look terrible, but it's not THEIR fault. They're not racist. Shut up you fucking techbro weirdo. Race is a big, silent factor in most things in the US, but not all things.

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    As an aside: I’ve been off Twitter for a week (needed a long, possibly permanent, break from all the self-righteous outrage and cynicism and people “dunking” on each other to feed their own egos — and that includes people I like and agree with in many cases). It’s nights like last night I really appreciate being off there already. I’m watching a few clips this morning but I just don’t need to hear everyone’s hot take the second anything happens. I just don’t.

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    I thought Warren, Sanders, and Pete all came across very well last night. I've never been much of a Bernie fan, but I thought he performed really strong. Warren had some great lines too. Delaney was just fucking annoying. Beto was a disaster. And I can't believe anyone is even talking about Marianne.

    Speaking of crystal lady:


    The twitter commentary was predictably obnoxious.

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    This makes Bernie a little more likeable because while he's still a grumpy fuck, at least his grumpiness is directed in a way I agree with.



    I'm not getting tired of these yet either (and I know it's not a game, but I can still be entertained while also paying attention to all candidates and their policies in a serious way. I need an outlet)



    Also, I have a weird reason for being nervous about a Warren candidacy. All I keep picturing in my head are Kerry and Dukakis. Massachusetts intellectuals haven't fared well in presidential races since 1960.
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    I really doubt Warren could beat Trump but right now I’m just happy there are people in the process of running for president and it’s not 1.) Trump 2.) it must drive him nuts 3.) listening to all the new ideas and plans. It’s like a big bowl full of hope on a hot unhopeful summer night.

    The moderates last night said that Medicare for all, green innitatives, economic equality, free tuition, raising the minimum wage will hand Trump a victory. But I think like Warren said, no one thought Obama would get the affordable care act and it happened. Gay marriage happened way before I thought it would.

    Now is the time for progressive ideas. As many as possible, not less. Because whoever ends up getting the nomination has to battle against so much. Trump is so beloved. Especially by his party and by republicans running for reelection in 2020 Denying that is unfortunate. Starting out the gate already knowing you’re going to be a “socialist” as the democratic nominee and have Trump rallies where they’ll chant “lock _____ up!” For something.

    It might not be possible to stop a second term. But I have to hope. And go big!
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    I can pay attention and watch more of tonight's debate and I hate how it's going. It feels like CNN is trying to force a moment like in Round 1 Night 2, to provoke Kamala to take Joe down. It's all the two of them fighting and then asking randos how they feel about their fight. And the questions are framed not "Explain why your plan is best" but "Please take the floor and shit on Kamala." I mean, I don't agree with her plan, but every single person's ideas up there are better than the GOP's.

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    We don't have time for moderates to take a slow, careful approach. We literally do not have time as a planet for that.

    Even if the Dems manage to win the WH, unless the Senate flips too, nothing will get done. Moscow Mitch, the GOP have decided the world can burn as long as they get their dollars.

    Progressive or GTFO of my way.
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    Oh, I'm on board the progressive train, but I don't agree 100% with any individual on everything and I feel this is more tear down each other than build up the party. And that's on the moderation and questions, imo. I'd rather this be "I'm better" than "You're worse."

    Except for Tulsi, Marianne, and Delaney. They're worse. Shouldn't even be on the stage.

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    Like Gabbard or not, she crushed Harris by exposing her record.

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    Joe seems to think that his experience was going to be an asset but you can see in real time how his long, problematic voting and speaking record keeps coming back to haunt him. Maybe not with ALL the likely Dem primary voters, but a lot. Maybe that's part of why Trump was successful. He had no voting record to be held against him.

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    I had to turn the debate off. The moderators infuriated me; they were so blatantly trying to start fights. I’ve realized recently that I fucking hate CNN. Not because it’s “fake news”, but because it’s constantly overwrought and hysterical.

    Not a big fan of Tulsi, but the shot at Kamala was deadly and richly deserved. And I did love Gillibrand’s line about scrubbing the Oval Office with Clorox.
    And it's going to be how do we think government should work and who do we think government should work for?

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    Last night's debate was terrible to watch. I made it through an hour. I am not a fan of anyone on that stage for president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .chris View Post
    Last night's debate was terrible to watch. I made it through an hour. I am not a fan of anyone on that stage for president.
    I'm increasingly nervous that, really, I'm not a big fan of anyone on either stage for president. Warren probably tops my list, but - Republican talking point or not - I have concerns about her getting elected. I Buttigieg in the abstract but realistically that's not happening (maybe in 4 years but polling at 0% with African American voters is never going to cut it). Harris and Biden are still on my list (my mom and all her friends in her highly contested Pennsylvania county love the Biden, and coincidentally now hate Harris for attacking him). But overall... two nights and one big ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    I love Warren but Harris is my pick. It’s really frustrating the way people are demonizing her.

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